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| This, from the SS web site, might help to answer your query. Note the repeated use of the word "wages", as well as the exempted items. << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| Bob Oaks wrote: - quote - > Yes, the benefit was paid throughout the year, but I was not
[snip]> an employee since I am retired. This is the only item on > the statement of earnings (and presumably on the W2 when I > get one). I finally got an answer back from Social Hold the presses. I did not know that you were no longer working for this firm in 2004. Now I completely understand that you will receive a W-2 that is going to include as taxable compensation the value of the health insurance being provided for your domestic partner. Social Security should not count that amount against the $11,640 limit as it does not represent compensation for work you are performing in 2004. -- Alan http://taxtopics.net << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| "A.G. Kalman" <agk202[at]netscape.net> wrote: - quote - > Michael T Wing CPA wrote:
Yes, the benefit was paid throughout the year, but I was not> > Bob Oaks <bobinsfoNOSPAM[at]yahoo.com> wrote: > > My understanding is that wages are only considered to be > > "earned" for benefit limitation purposes if paid in the year > > that work was actually performed. If payment is received in > > a later year, it is treated as "deferred" compensation and > > does NOT reduce your benefits. (Note, however, that to the > > extent the deferred pay is taxable, it might nevertheless > > cause a portion of your social security benefits to be > > taxed. That's a separate issue.) > > > However, I suspect that you will need to "interface" with > > the SSA in order to make sure they understand the situation. > > Otherwise, they (or their computer) will likely ~assume~ > > that anything reported on a W-2 constitutes "earned" income. > I believe a taxable employer sponsored benefit for the year > is considered wages for that year, It would not be deferred > compensation just because the amount first surfaced on the > W-2. The benefit was "paid" throughout the year. an employee since I am retired. This is the only item on the statement of earnings (and presumably on the W2 when I get one). I finally got an answer back from Social Security, and though it is a bit vague (suprise?) I think that this falls under the category of what they call "Special Wage Payments", which do not reduce the Social Security benefits, because they are in effect "compensation for work done before I retired" (I think!). << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| A.G. Kalman <agk202[at]netscape.net> wrote: - quote - > I believe a taxable employer sponsored benefit for the year
I'm simply going by what I read in an SSA publication. It> is considered wages for that year, It would not be deferred > compensation just because the amount first surfaced on the > W-2. The benefit was "paid" throughout the year. seemed to indicate that an amount is not considered "earned" for social security benefit limitation purposes (not to be confused with income tax purposes, or any other purpose) unless work was actually performed during the year. As I understand the factual situation in question, the entitlement to this benefit was earned based on work perform in PRIOR years, since the poster is no longer currently employed (if I understand the facts correctly). But, I honestly don't know the answer, and therefore recommend "communication" with the SSA. <g MTW << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| "Michael T Wing CPA" <mtwingcpa[at]yahoo.com> wrote: - quote - > > My understanding is that wages are only considered to be
Thanks, I agree I need to ask SSA. I sent them an email> "earned" for benefit limitation purposes if paid in the year > that work was actually performed. If payment is received in > a later year, it is treated as "deferred" compensation and > does NOT reduce your benefits. (Note, however, that to the > extent the deferred pay is taxable, it might nevertheless > cause a portion of your social security benefits to be > taxed. That's a separate issue.) > However, I suspect that you will need to "interface" with > the SSA in order to make sure they understand the situation. > Otherwise, they (or their computer) will likely ~assume~ > that anything reported on a W-2 constitutes "earned" income. several days ago, but only silence since them. I think you understand the distinction I am trying to make between "taxable" income that will reduce SSA benefits and "taxable" income that will not reduce SS benefits. Interest and dividends are taxable, but they do not reduce benefits, for example. Royalties from a book I just wrote could reduce benefits, though unless Oprah calls, I'm pretty well covered there. But the "imputed" income, especially if it's considered "deferred" seems to be a gray area. << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| Michael T Wing CPA wrote: - quote - > Bob Oaks <bobinsfoNOSPAM[at]yahoo.com> wrote:
I believe a taxable employer sponsored benefit for the year> > I just received an > > earnings statement for 2003 that shows nearly $4000 in > > "imputed income" because of my partner's insurance. Is this > > "inputed income" considered income for social security > > purposes? In other words, will it be counted as part of the > > $11,600 that will lead to a reduction in benefits? > My understanding is that wages are only considered to be > "earned" for benefit limitation purposes if paid in the year > that work was actually performed. If payment is received in > a later year, it is treated as "deferred" compensation and > does NOT reduce your benefits. (Note, however, that to the > extent the deferred pay is taxable, it might nevertheless > cause a portion of your social security benefits to be > taxed. That's a separate issue.) > However, I suspect that you will need to "interface" with > the SSA in order to make sure they understand the situation. > Otherwise, they (or their computer) will likely ~assume~ > that anything reported on a W-2 constitutes "earned" income. is considered wages for that year, It would not be deferred compensation just because the amount first surfaced on the W-2. The benefit was "paid" throughout the year. -- Alan http://taxtopics.net << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| Bob Oaks wrote: - quote - > "Harlan Lunsford" <lunstax[at]bellsouth.net> wrote:
They have to provide to you a W-2. CA law differs from> > Bob Oaks wrote: > > If the employer furnishes a W-2 next year for the value of > > her insurance, then yes, it is earned income. > Well the employer (Bank of America) did not give me a real > W-2. It's simply a Statement of Earnings and Deductions for > the value of HIS insurance (if we could marry after a > quarter of a century together, I assume this would be a moot > question). Most of it is "Imputed Medical and Dental" > ($3666); the rest is "Miscellaneous Pay" ($303). The > Miscellaneous Pay is equal to the amount withheld for FICA > and OASDI. Then in the summary section (there is no Box 5) > the total of $3691 is shown as Fed Wages, FICA, OASCI, CA > Wages, and CA OASDI. I assume that under new California > Domestic Partner legislation it won't be considered taxable > by the state, and for the IRS I have enough offsetting > deductions, but the only concern is whether it will reduce > my Social Security benefits. Is this really considered > "earned income"? I didn't work during this year. Or does > it fall in the same category as dividends and interest, > which as I understand it does NOT affect Social Security > benefits? federal law regarding medical insurance for a domestic partner who is not a dependent. Federal law will treat the insurance as taxable compensation as it only allows an exclusion for employer provided health benefits for the taxpayer, spouse and dependents. CA law allows the exclusion when a domestic partner is covered even if the partner is not a dependent. This probably explains the convoluted statement. The amount of the benefit would be included in Box 1 and Box 5 of the W-2. There is also another aspect to this gross income exclusion. As far as I know, CA employers are treating the payments as taxable federal compensation (Box 1 of the W-2) even if the partner is the dependent of the employee. Effectively, this means that the employee will have a W-2 that overstates gross income for federal purposes. If anyone reading this has experience with CA taxpayers who filed 2002 tax returns excluding the amount from Line 7 (a W-2 mismatch) please post any information if the taxpayer has heard from the IRS. -- Alan http://taxtopics.net << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| Bob Oaks <bobinsfoNOSPAM[at]yahoo.com> wrote: - quote - > I just received an
My understanding is that wages are only considered to be> earnings statement for 2003 that shows nearly $4000 in > "imputed income" because of my partner's insurance. Is this > "inputed income" considered income for social security > purposes? In other words, will it be counted as part of the > $11,600 that will lead to a reduction in benefits? "earned" for benefit limitation purposes if paid in the year that work was actually performed. If payment is received in a later year, it is treated as "deferred" compensation and does NOT reduce your benefits. (Note, however, that to the extent the deferred pay is taxable, it might nevertheless cause a portion of your social security benefits to be taxed. That's a separate issue.) However, I suspect that you will need to "interface" with the SSA in order to make sure they understand the situation. Otherwise, they (or their computer) will likely ~assume~ that anything reported on a W-2 constitutes "earned" income. MTW << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| "Harlan Lunsford" <lunstax[at]bellsouth.net> wrote: - quote - > Bob Oaks wrote:
Well the employer (Bank of America) did not give me a real> If the employer furnishes a W-2 next year for the value of > her insurance, then yes, it is earned income. W-2. It's simply a Statement of Earnings and Deductions for the value of HIS insurance (if we could marry after a quarter of a century together, I assume this would be a moot question). Most of it is "Imputed Medical and Dental" ($3666); the rest is "Miscellaneous Pay" ($303). The Miscellaneous Pay is equal to the amount withheld for FICA and OASDI. Then in the summary section (there is no Box 5) the total of $3691 is shown as Fed Wages, FICA, OASCI, CA Wages, and CA OASDI. I assume that under new California Domestic Partner legislation it won't be considered taxable by the state, and for the IRS I have enough offsetting deductions, but the only concern is whether it will reduce my Social Security benefits. Is this really considered "earned income"? I didn't work during this year. Or does it fall in the same category as dividends and interest, which as I understand it does NOT affect Social Security benefits? << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| Bob Oaks wrote: - quote - > I guess this is a question for this forum. I am about to
If the employer furnishes a W-2 next year for the value of> start collecting Social Security (at age 62). I know that > my benefits will be reduced if I earn more than a certain > amount each year ($11,600, I think in 2004). However, I'm > not sure what is included in "earnings". My former employer > offers me health insurance and allows me to carry my > domestic partner on that insurance. I just received an > earnings statement for 2003 that shows nearly $4000 in > "imputed income" because of my partner's insurance. Is this > "inputed income" considered income for social security > purposes? In other words, will it be counted as part of the > $11,600 that will lead to a reduction in benefits? her insurance, then yes, it is earned income. Cheer$, Harlan Lunsford, EA n LA << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| Bob Oaks wrote: - quote - > I guess this is a question for this forum. I am about to
SSA will use wages you receive. Wages do include the value> start collecting Social Security (at age 62). I know that > my benefits will be reduced if I earn more than a certain > amount each year ($11,600, I think in 2004). However, I'm > not sure what is included in "earnings". My former employer > offers me health insurance and allows me to carry my > domestic partner on that insurance. I just received an > earnings statement for 2003 that shows nearly $4000 in > "imputed income" because of my partner's insurance. Is this > "inputed income" considered income for social security > purposes? In other words, will it be counted as part of the > $11,600 that will lead to a reduction in benefits? of benefits. I believe the SSA will use the amount in Box 5 of your W-2. The limit in 2004 is $11,640. -- Alan http://taxtopics.net << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| I guess this is a question for this forum. I am about to start collecting Social Security (at age 62). I know that my benefits will be reduced if I earn more than a certain amount each year ($11,600, I think in 2004). However, I'm not sure what is included in "earnings". My former employer offers me health insurance and allows me to carry my domestic partner on that insurance. I just received an earnings statement for 2003 that shows nearly $4000 in "imputed income" because of my partner's insurance. Is this "inputed income" considered income for social security purposes? In other words, will it be counted as part of the $11,600 that will lead to a reduction in benefits? << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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