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Old 12-22-2003, 10:21 PM
Dick Weaver
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Default Re: state tax refund taxed at this year's rate?

ge wrote:

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> If a person expected to have substantially lower income next
> year, could they overpay this year's state tax, and then pay
> the lower marginal rate on the refund on next year's federal
> return?


OOPS - corrected "reducing" -> "increasing"

No. There is a requirement (can't find a reference, sorry)
that you had reasonable expectations of the tax you paid
actually being due.

And you need to do your math very carefully. What you
propose is increasing this year's itemized deductions and
increasing next years AGI. As AGI affects many tax details,
that is often a losing trade.

dick w

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Old 12-22-2003, 09:43 PM
Benjamin Yazersky CPA
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Default Re: state tax refund taxed at this year's rate?

"ge" <e_c_l_e_s[at]a-znet.com> wrote:

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> If a person expected to have substantially lower income next
> year, could they overpay this year's state tax, and then pay
> the lower marginal rate on the refund on next year's federal
> return?


Its kind of yes BUT.

First of all, the IRS could challenge it. It would help to
have a projection to justify the payment that you want to
make now.

Another thing to watch out for is the AMT. If it affects
you, the deduction can be wasted.

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Old 12-22-2003, 09:42 PM
D.F.
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Default Re: state tax refund taxed at this year's rate?

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> If a person expected to have substantially lower income next
> year, could they overpay this year's state tax, and then pay
> the lower marginal rate on the refund on next year's federal
> return?


Yes, except that the overpay should be big enough, and that
you are itemizing this year.

That person should also consider pre-paying property tax.

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Old 12-22-2003, 08:06 PM
Dick Weaver
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Default Re: state tax refund taxed at this year's rate?

- quote -

> If a person expected to have substantially lower income next
> year, could they overpay this year's state tax, and then pay
> the lower marginal rate on the refund on next year's federal
> return?


No. There is a requirement (can't find a reference, sorry)
that you had reasonable expectations of the tax you paid
actually being due.

And you need to do your math very carefully. What you
propose is reducing this year's itemized deductions to
increase next years AGI. As AGI affects many tax details,
that is often a losing trade.

dick w

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Old 12-22-2003, 08:06 PM
Arthur Kamlet
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Default Re: state tax refund taxed at this year's rate?

ge <eccles[at]a-znet.com> wrote:

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> If a person expected to have substantially lower income next
> year, could they overpay this year's state tax, and then pay
> the lower marginal rate on the refund on next year's federal
> return?


In theory. If an outrageous amount is overpaid with no
reasonable justification for having to pay that amount, it
could be disallowed.

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Old 12-19-2003, 12:43 PM
ge
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Default state tax refund taxed at this year's rate?

If a person expected to have substantially lower income next
year, could they overpay this year's state tax, and then pay
the lower marginal rate on the refund on next year's federal
return?

TIA,
George

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