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Old 01-22-2004, 06:36 AM
Katie Jaques
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bsteiner[at]att.net (Bruce Steiner) wrote:
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> Katie Jaques wrote:

> > It does sound to me as though this DE corporation is a
> > sales/use tax dodge. DE has no sales or use tax, so if the
> > corporation took possession of the airplane in DE, there
> > would be no sales tax. Whether there is a use tax liability
> > to FL or any other state depends on what happened after that
> > ... where did the airplane go, and when? When and where was
> > its first functional use?


> Perhaps they just fly back and forth between Dover and
> Wilmington.


LOL!

Katie

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Old 01-20-2004, 08:06 AM
Bruce Steiner
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Katie Jaques wrote:

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> It does sound to me as though this DE corporation is a
> sales/use tax dodge. DE has no sales or use tax, so if the
> corporation took possession of the airplane in DE, there
> would be no sales tax. Whether there is a use tax liability
> to FL or any other state depends on what happened after that
> ... where did the airplane go, and when? When and where was
> its first functional use?


Perhaps they just fly back and forth between Dover and
Wilmington.

Bruce Steiner

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Old 01-20-2004, 07:47 AM
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katiej_1958[at]yahoo.com (Katie Jaques) wrote:
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> hankal[at]aol.com (Hankal) wrote:

> > Owner of an aircraft registered it in a Delaware Corporation
> > for liability reasons. The Corporation does not have a
> > Federal ID number. Question-- Does he have to file a Federal
> > tax return? No income and no expenses.


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> There may be no income, but surely the corporation has
> expenses, even if the airplane is just parked somewhere and
> never flies. However, the income tax consequences of this
> arrangement are probably de minimis even if returns that
> were technically required have not been filed.


Of course, I said that trusting that the OP's client is not
using the airplane's expenses to offset taxable income
somewhere else, e.g. on his individual return or the return
of some related entity <G> .

Katie in San Diego

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Old 01-20-2004, 07:09 AM
Gary Goodman
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> > We found out what was going on when his daughter contacted
> > us after he passed away. It turns out that he didn't file NC
> > corporate returns for years and the only way to sell the BMW
> > was to file them and pay the back taxes.


> This individual resides in Florida. He uses a DE address for
> the DE Corp and pays the annual DE fee. Since he does not
> have any expenses or income the DE State requires no
> Corporation Tax Return filing. He has no filing requirement
> in Florida. Maybe NC has different rules.


The annual DE fee *IS* an expense. As to the liability issue
of owning a plane, he should check with a lawyer. The
corporation may not provide any protection.

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Old 01-16-2004, 06:59 AM
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hankal[at]aol.com (Hankal) wrote:

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> Owner of an aircraft registered it in a Delaware Corporation
> for liability reasons. The Corporation does not have a
> Federal ID number. Question-- Does he have to file a Federal
> tax return? No income and no expenses.


I can't answer the federal question off the top of my head.
However, my question is, where is this airplane, and who
uses it, for what purposes? If the airplane is hangared in
Florida, the corporation is required to file a FL corporate
income tax return for any year for which it is required to
file a federal return (which, of course, begs the initial
question).

It does sound to me as though this DE corporation is a
sales/use tax dodge. DE has no sales or use tax, so if the
corporation took possession of the airplane in DE, there
would be no sales tax. Whether there is a use tax liability
to FL or any other state depends on what happened after that
.... where did the airplane go, and when? When and where was
its first functional use? etc.

There may be no income, but surely the corporation has
expenses, even if the airplane is just parked somewhere and
never flies. However, the income tax consequences of this
arrangement are probably de minimis even if returns that
were technically required have not been filed. But there
could be significant exposure to use tax.

Katie in San Diego

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Old 01-15-2004, 04:07 AM
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> We found out what was going on when his daughter contacted
> us after he passed away. It turns out that he didn't file NC
> corporate returns for years and the only way to sell the BMW
> was to file them and pay the back taxes.


This individual resides in Florida. He uses a DE address for
the DE Corp and pays the annual DE fee. Since he does not
have any expenses or income the DE State requires no
Corporation Tax Return filing. He has no filing requirement
in Florida. Maybe NC has different rules.

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Old 01-14-2004, 08:51 AM
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> > > Owner of an aircraft registered it in a Delaware Corporation
> > > for liability reasons. The Corporation does not have a
> > > Federal ID number. Question-- Does he have to file a Federal
> > > tax return? No income and no expenses.


> > > Owner of an aircraft registered it in a Delaware Corporation
> > > for liability reasons. The Corporation does not have a
> > > Federal ID number. Question-- Does he have to file a Federal
> > > tax return? No income and no expenses.


> I suspect owner may have also ducked some nasty state sales
> taxes. States do check this stuff out for big ticket items
> like aircraft. Be sure all the steps are clean!!.!


When I was in Charlotte, NC, we served as registered agents
for several hundred corporations. We found out after a
client died that his corporation only had one asset. His
BMW. He lived in New York City. Guess where he declared the
BMW was located for insurance purposes?

We found out what was going on when his daughter contacted
us after he passed away. It turns out that he didn't file NC
corporate returns for years and the only way to sell the BMW
was to file them and pay the back taxes.

The moral of the story? Compare total costs, not just taxes.

Gary

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Old 01-13-2004, 04:27 PM
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> > Owner of an aircraft registered it in a Delaware Corporation
> > for liability reasons. The Corporation does not have a
> > Federal ID number. Question-- Does he have to file a Federal
> > tax return? No income and no expenses.


> > Owner of an aircraft registered it in a Delaware Corporation
> > for liability reasons. The Corporation does not have a
> > Federal ID number. Question-- Does he have to file a Federal
> > tax return? No income and no expenses.


I suspect owner may have also ducked some nasty state sales
taxes. States do check this stuff out for big ticket items
like aircraft. Be sure all the steps are clean!!.!

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Old 01-12-2004, 10:35 AM
Gary Goodman
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hankal[at]aol.com says...

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> Owner of an aircraft registered it in a Delaware Corporation
> for liability reasons. The Corporation does not have a
> Federal ID number. Question-- Does he have to file a Federal
> tax return? No income and no expenses.


There have to be expenses. Delaware imposes taxes on
corporations. Regardless, the corporation needs an EIN and
must file the proper federal forms.

Gary

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Old 12-19-2003, 12:05 PM
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Owner of an aircraft registered it in a Delaware Corporation
for liability reasons. The Corporation does not have a
Federal ID number. Question-- Does he have to file a Federal
tax return? No income and no expenses.

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