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Thank you,> > whether and when you are considered an owner/shareholder. > > There are ownership attribution rules that I can find for > > all other passthrough (and some not passthrough depending on > > what you are looking for) entities. What are the ownership > > attribution rules to determine whether you are an owner of > > an S-Corp? > See IRC Sec. 267. I think this is the one used for S Corps. Not only did this define what I was looking for but it also pointed me in the right direction for a continued search of the topic. Although I was looking for 'attribution rules' Congress has defined what I really wanted as 'constructive ownership of stock'. Again, thank you, Patrick Fleming, EA << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| Patrick Fleming EA wrote: - quote - > Phoebe Roberts, EA wrote:
See IRC Sec. 267. I think this is the one used for S Corps.> > Patrick Fleming EA wrote: > > > The entity in question is a real estate agency with > > > non-stockholder related parties as commissioned sales > > > persons. > > Licensed real estate agents are statutory nonemployees, and > > receive a 1099-MISC, I believe. > Except when they are owners/shareholders. > The question I have is what are the rules that determine > whether and when you are considered an owner/shareholder. > There are ownership attribution rules that I can find for > all other passthrough (and some not passthrough depending on > what you are looking for) entities. What are the ownership > attribution rules to determine whether you are an owner of > an S-Corp? > eg: > A owns 25% of all outstanding shares. > B owns 37.5% of all outstanding shares. > C owns 37.5% of all outstanding shares. > A and B are married (to each other) > A's mother also works for the corporation (although she has > yet to receive commissions) as an 'independent agent'. Is > she truly independent, or, as I suspect but have yet to > prove, is she considered a shareholder due to attribution > rules? And if so, where the heck are these specific rules? -- Alan http://taxtopics.net << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| Phoebe Roberts, EA wrote: - quote - > Patrick Fleming EA wrote:
Except when they are owners/shareholders.> > The entity in question is a real estate agency with > > non-stockholder related parties as commissioned sales > > persons. > Licensed real estate agents are statutory nonemployees, and > receive a 1099-MISC, I believe. The question I have is what are the rules that determine whether and when you are considered an owner/shareholder. There are ownership attribution rules that I can find for all other passthrough (and some not passthrough depending on what you are looking for) entities. What are the ownership attribution rules to determine whether you are an owner of an S-Corp? eg: A owns 25% of all outstanding shares. B owns 37.5% of all outstanding shares. C owns 37.5% of all outstanding shares. A and B are married (to each other) A's mother also works for the corporation (although she has yet to receive commissions) as an 'independent agent'. Is she truly independent, or, as I suspect but have yet to prove, is she considered a shareholder due to attribution rules? And if so, where the heck are these specific rules? Patrick Fleming, EA << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| Patrick Fleming EA wrote: - quote - > The entity in question is a real estate agency with
Licensed real estate agents are statutory nonemployees, and> non-stockholder related parties as commissioned sales > persons. receive a 1099-MISC, I believe. Phoebe ![]() << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| I don't post here very regularly, but I have a question that I *know* I have read the answer to somewhere but can't find it now. Can someone point me to attribution rules regarding ownership of stock in an S Corp? Most specifically, I need to be able to point to regs for a small corporation with lots of related non-stockholders. The entity in question is a real estate agency with non-stockholder related parties as commissioned sales persons. Normally the agents get a 1099-Misc as is the nature of the business. How do the commissioned agents who are also family members get paid and which reporting document is required? Based on something I read somewhere, but can't point to now, 2% or more owners as well as individuals with a deemed 2% or more ownership get W-2s and all compensation is reported on line 7(Compensation of Officers) of the 1120S. I have searched through the actual code online at http://uscode.house.gov , the IRS site, and my own reference materials without satisfactory results. Thanks for any and all help, Patrick Fleming, EA << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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