Update on NEW Anti-Spam Procedure

#13 12-09-2003, 08:27 AM

mike_20878[at]hotmail.com (Michael S. Rosen) wrote:

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> Mr. Moderator, would you please request that posters please
> separate their replies from previous posts? It gets very
> difficult to find the new responses.

What in the world does that mean????? In general it is up
to you to set your news reader to organize posts in the way
you prefer.

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> And OT, I know that Outlook Express will not let you set a
> reply-to address of "me at hotmail dot com." I instead add
> nospam.hotmail.com.

I use a "nospam" reply address, but it's a valid one that
will actually get email to me. If I check for it.

Stu

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#12 12-07-2003, 11:00 PM

"D. Stussy" <kd6lvw[at]bde-arc.ampr.org> wrote:

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> Whatever you do, you should have a special mailbox JUST
> for MTM moderation. Anything else that comes there that
> isn't a newsgroup post to be validated will probably be spam.

Mr. Moderator, would you please request that posters please
separate their replies from previous posts? It gets very
difficult to find the new responses.

And OT, I know that Outlook Express will not let you set a
reply-to address of "me at hotmail dot com." I instead add
nospam.hotmail.com.

Mike

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#11 12-07-2003, 09:42 PM

A.G. Kalman <agk202[at]netscape.net> wrote:

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> They require a working e-mail address to sign up and get
> access. The from or reply to address you use on posts can be
> anything you want.

A couple of years ago I experimented with using a "munged"
address. If the domain name portion of the address wasn't
"valid," the messaged was rejected. Maybe they've changed
something more recently. But, in any event, it would still
be in violation of their stated policies. (Sometimes CPAs
worry about stuff like that. <g> )

MTW

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#10 12-07-2003, 09:22 PM

Drew Edmundson wrote:
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> A.G. Kalman" <agk202[at]netscape.net> wrote:
> > Michael T Wing CPA wrote:

> > > My news server http://news.cis.dfn.de/ requires a WORKING email
> > > address. The last time I checked with them, "munged" addresses
> > > were NOT acceptable. I will endeavor to check this point again
> > > and will advise ASAP. I believe a number of others around here
> > > also use this server. Beside being FREE, it is the most
> > > RELIABLE news server that I've yet used. (If others are having
> > > server problems, perhaps they should take note. <g> )

> > They require a working e-mail address to sign up and get
> > access. The from or reply to address you use on posts can be
> > anything you want.

> news.cis.dfn.de requires that the domain portion of your
> e-mail address be valid. The user name portion doesn't have
> to be valid.

Well, you forced me to read their policy. It states that
you can't mangle the from header. The from header including
the userid needs to be a valid address. They state that
they have permission from the owner of privacy.net domain
for newsgroup users to use me[at]privacy.net as the from header
in order to avoid being spammed. In lieu of that, they
recommend a user obtain a public userid from any of the
domains that offer free webmail accounts. E.g., yahoo.com,
netscape.com, findlaw.com, etc.

--

Alan
http://taxtopics.net

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#9 12-04-2003, 05:10 AM

A.G. Kalman" <agk202[at]netscape.net> wrote:
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> Michael T Wing CPA wrote:

> > My news server http://news.cis.dfn.de/ requires a WORKING email
> > address. The last time I checked with them, "munged" addresses
> > were NOT acceptable. I will endeavor to check this point again
> > and will advise ASAP. I believe a number of others around here
> > also use this server. Beside being FREE, it is the most
> > RELIABLE news server that I've yet used. (If others are having
> > server problems, perhaps they should take note. <g> )

> They require a working e-mail address to sign up and get
> access. The from or reply to address you use on posts can be
> anything you want.

news.cis.dfn.de requires that the domain portion of your
e-mail address be valid. The user name portion doesn't have
to be valid.

Drew Edmundson, CPA (NC)
e-mail is my first name at nccpa dot com

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#8 12-01-2003, 04:44 PM

Michael T Wing CPA wrote:

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> -----begin quote-----
> My news server http://news.cis.dfn.de/ requires a WORKING email
> address. The last time I checked with them, "munged" addresses
> were NOT acceptable. I will endeavor to check this point again
> and will advise ASAP. I believe a number of others around here
> also use this server. Beside being FREE, it is the most
> RELIABLE news server that I've yet used. (If others are having
> server problems, perhaps they should take note. <g> )

They require a working e-mail address to sign up and get
access. The from or reply to address you use on posts can be
anything you want.

--

Alan
http://taxtopics.net

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#7 11-30-2003, 01:21 AM

Michael T Wing CPA wrote:

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> -----begin quote-----
> My news server http://news.cis.dfn.de/ requires a WORKING email
> address. The last time I checked with them, "munged" addresses
> were NOT acceptable. I will endeavor to check this point again
> and will advise ASAP. I believe a number of others around here
> also use this server. Beside being FREE, it is the most
> RELIABLE news server that I've yet used. (If others are having
> server problems, perhaps they should take note. <g> )

They require a working e-mail address to sign up and get
access. The from or reply to address you use on posts can be
anything you want.

--
Alan
http://taxtopics.net

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#6 11-23-2003, 10:52 PM

sethb[at]panix.com (Seth Breidbart) wrote:
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> Dick Adams <rdadams[at]smart.net> wrote:

> > Mike Wing (who is still in my dog house for taking Ed Zollar's
> > side on constructive receipt <g> ) sent me a very common sense
> > solution. That solution is to get a Hotmail or Yahoo account
> > for newsgroup posting and then just delete all the e-mail you
> > receive there.

> I'm not Mike, but it's easy:
> 1. Go to http://www.hotmail.com
> 2. Click the tab that says "New Account Sign Up"
> 3. Follow the instructions
> Or
> 1. Go to http://www.yahoo.com
> 2. Click the link that says "Sign up now"
> 3. Follow the instructions

> Here's a site set up to give you a temporary email address for
newsgroup purposes. I haven't used it so I don't know how it works.

But it's there in theory, anyway:

http://www.digipills.com/cerbermail/intro.php

Stu

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#5 11-23-2003, 10:52 PM

"Karl Irvin" <88karl3200[at]comcast.net> wrote:

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> Another option (at least if you use Outlook Express) is to
> go to Tools> Accounts and edit the email address in the NEWS
> account and make it a bogus address or add words (e.g. dave
> at no spam microsoft.com) to try to fool spam harvesting
> software. Then in your signature you can tell how to adjust
> the email address to a real address (e.g. change at to [at] and
> remove no spam)

> I have the impression that many of the address-harvesting programs
try to avoid invalid addresses, so anything with the word "spam" in

the address may be ignored.

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> I use a valid email address in my header that uses the word
"spamtrap". I've had very little spam sent to that address since I

started using it, though it's only been a few months.

Stu

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#4 11-23-2003, 10:52 PM

Dick Adams wrote:

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> Previously written:

> > I have gotten seven reponses from people who are reluctant
> > to post to MTM because they get subjected to spamming. In
> > my rarely humble opinion, spamming should be punishible by
> > a .45 caliber lobotomy.
> > > So within the next week, I will make a change to the
> > program that processes submissions to MTM. That change
> > will eliminate the Reply-To: header and will alter the
> > e-mail address in the From: header as follows:
> > > John[at]aol.com .... will become .... John[at]nospam.biz
> > > If you want your e-mail address in your post, put it in
> > your .sig file.
> > > If anyone has any objections to this, speak now because
> > I will not listen later.

> Well the response has been overwhelmingly negative!
> Mike Wing (who is still in my dog house for taking Ed Zollar's
> side on constructive receipt <g> ) sent me a very common sense
> solution. That solution is to get a Hotmail or Yahoo account
> for newsgroup posting and then just delete all the e-mail you
> receive there.

> If one deletes ALL the mail, then there won't be any posts! :-)

> Because I live a very sheltered life, I have never gotten one
> of these accounts. Maybe Mike will provide instructions on
> how to get one.

> Whatever you do, you should have a special mailbox JUST for MTM moderation.
Anything else that comes there that isn't a newsgroup post to be validated

will probably be spam.

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#3 11-23-2003, 10:33 PM

Seth posted:
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> > Dick Adams <rdadams[at]smart.net> wrote:

> > Mike Wing (who is still in my dog house for
> > taking Ed Zollar's side on constructive receipt
> > <g> ) sent me a very common sense solution.
> > That solution is to get a Hotmail or Yahoo
> > account for newsgroup posting and then just
> > delete all the e-mail you receive there.
> > Because I live a very sheltered life, I have
> > never gotten one of these accounts. Maybe
> > Mike will provide instructions on how to get
> > one.

> I'm not Mike, but it's easy:
> 1. Go to http://www.hotmail.com
> 2. Click the tab that says "New Account Sign Up"
> 3. Follow the instructions

And Seth's advice is accurate, and excellent.

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> One thing he didn't mention: The greatest advantage of a hotmail
account is they offer the *NUKE* option for mail filtration: The only

mail which will appear in your InBox is that from ppl who are listed in
your Addressbook. Everything else gets dumped into the JunkMail folder.

Bill

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#2 11-23-2003, 10:33 PM

Dick Adams <rdadams[at]smart.net> wrote:

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> Because I live a very sheltered life, I have never gotten one
> of these accounts. Maybe Mike will provide instructions on
> how to get one.

> Since my name was invoked <g> , permit me to post an excerpt from
my original message on this issue:

-----begin quote-----
My news server http://news.cis.dfn.de/ requires a WORKING email
address. The last time I checked with them, "munged" addresses
were NOT acceptable. I will endeavor to check this point again
and will advise ASAP. I believe a number of others around here
also use this server. Beside being FREE, it is the most
RELIABLE news server that I've yet used. (If others are having
server problems, perhaps they should take note. <g> )

No one hates spam more than I. But why can't people mung their
OWN addresses if that's what they want to do? And/or use a
"disposable" address from Yahoo or Hotmail?
-----end quote-----

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> Karl has explained how to "mung" an address and Seth has
described how to apply for an "expendable" email account, so I

won't add more. The real challenge here is that all of this will
probably require a fair amount of trial and error experimentation
on the part of the user. For example, a "munged" address (at
least in the domain name area) will probably bounce back from
some news servers, such as news.cis.dfn.de. By the same token,
you might also encounter problems if the reply address (even
though "valid") is not on the ISP maintaining the particular news
server in use.

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> For better or worse, the USENET seems to come with a very steep
learning curve. That's the way it goes. It isn't for everyone,

especially those who don't like being exposed to the rough and
tumble of "free speech." Perhaps the best alternative for those
who can't tolerate spam under any circumstances is to seek out
discussion groups and boards that are OFF the usenet.

MTW

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#1 11-22-2003, 12:38 AM

Dick Adams <rdadams[at]smart.net> wrote:

- quote -

> Mike Wing (who is still in my dog house for taking Ed Zollar's
> side on constructive receipt <g> ) sent me a very common sense
> solution. That solution is to get a Hotmail or Yahoo account
> for newsgroup posting and then just delete all the e-mail you
> receive there.
> Because I live a very sheltered life, I have never gotten one
> of these accounts. Maybe Mike will provide instructions on
> how to get one.

I'm not Mike, but it's easy:

1. Go to http://www.hotmail.com
2. Click the tab that says "New Account Sign Up"
3. Follow the instructions

Or

1. Go to http://www.yahoo.com
2. Click the link that says "Sign up now"
3. Follow the instructions

Seth

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11-21-2003, 11:59 PM

"Dick Adams" <rdadams[at]smart.net> wrote:

- quote -

> Previously written:

> > I have gotten seven reponses from people who are reluctant
> > to post to MTM because they get subjected to spamming. In
> > my rarely humble opinion, spamming should be punishible by
> > a .45 caliber lobotomy.
> > > So within the next week, I will make a change to the
> > program that processes submissions to MTM. That change
> > will eliminate the Reply-To: header and will alter the
> > e-mail address in the From: header as follows:
> > > John[at]aol.com .... will become .... John[at]nospam.biz
> > > If you want your e-mail address in your post, put it in
> > your .sig file.
> > > If anyone has any objections to this, speak now because
> > I will not listen later.

> Well the response has been overwhelmingly negative!
> Mike Wing (who is still in my dog house for taking Ed Zollar's
> side on constructive receipt <g> ) sent me a very common sense
> solution. That solution is to get a Hotmail or Yahoo account
> for newsgroup posting and then just delete all the e-mail you
> receive there.
> Because I live a very sheltered life, I have never gotten one
> of these accounts. Maybe Mike will provide instructions on
> how to get one.
> Dick

Another option (at least if you use Outlook Express) is to
go to Tools> Accounts and edit the email address in the NEWS
account and make it a bogus address or add words (e.g. dave
at no spam microsoft.com) to try to fool spam harvesting
software. Then in your signature you can tell how to adjust
the email address to a real address (e.g. change at to [at] and
remove no spam)

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#-1 11-20-2003, 04:35 PM

Previously written:

- quote -

> I have gotten seven reponses from people who are reluctant
> to post to MTM because they get subjected to spamming. In
> my rarely humble opinion, spamming should be punishible by
> a .45 caliber lobotomy.
> So within the next week, I will make a change to the
> program that processes submissions to MTM. That change
> will eliminate the Reply-To: header and will alter the
> e-mail address in the From: header as follows:
> John[at]aol.com .... will become .... John[at]nospam.biz
> If you want your e-mail address in your post, put it in
> your .sig file.
> If anyone has any objections to this, speak now because
> I will not listen later.

Well the response has been overwhelmingly negative!

Mike Wing (who is still in my dog house for taking Ed Zollar's
side on constructive receipt <g> ) sent me a very common sense
solution. That solution is to get a Hotmail or Yahoo account
for newsgroup posting and then just delete all the e-mail you
receive there.

Because I live a very sheltered life, I have never gotten one
of these accounts. Maybe Mike will provide instructions on
how to get one.

Dick

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