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Old 11-18-2003, 01:40 AM
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Stuart O. Bronstein" <spamtrap[at]lexregia.com> wrote:
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> junk[at]junk.com wrote:

> > So you are saying that I should just add another "item" to
> > depreciate which is the "other half" of the property with
> > the "placed in service" date as the date of the joint
> > owner's death? IOW, I have two "items" depreciating now, my
> > original half as it has been for the last X years and a new
> > item starting on 07/12/2002. Do I have that right? I don't
> > need any "explanation" I just put it there and it all
> > "shakes out" when I sell it?


> I don't do returns, so I don't know the mechanics of it.
> But I'm sure someone will come along soon and educate us
> both.


Thanks. I'm open to all the "education" I can get ;-)

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> > > The only thing you need to be sure you have done in
> > > California is that you record a document called Affidavit of
> > > Death of Joint Tenant. To that you attach a certified copy
> > > of the death certificate. That gets the property into your
> > > name.


> > Yes, It's on my list of things to do. I have been a bit
> > concerned about that as I wondered if filing that would
> > trigger acceleration of the loan. IOW, if the "bank" sees a
> > change in ownership would they freak out?


> It's unlikely that the bank will take notice of it. If you
> are already on the loan it's unlikely that they could call
> the loan in any case. But in these times you could likely
> refinance if necessary and get the loan in your name alone.


Thanks. That is probably true.

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> There is one other thing you need to do in California, and
> depending on your relationship to the deceased and the value
> of the property, it may result in an increase in property
> tax.


Arg. Yeah, tell me about it. California is slapping taxes
on things right and left -- especially real estate.

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> When you record the Affidavid of Death of Joint Tenant, you
> will need to file a document called Preliminary Change of
> Ownership Form.


Thanks for that pointer.

- quote -

> If you are a child or grandchild of the
> deceased you will also have to give them a form to claim
> exemption from reappraisal for property tax purposes.


O.K. That does not apply to me. We were not related.

- quote -

> If you were not related in some way, your property tax may
> well go up on the inherited half of the property.


Arg. Oh well, what is, is.

- quote -

> > > > - I know some kind of Estate tax form was filed by the
> > > > Administrator. I don't have that information -- only
> > > > a guesstimate. Do I need to know any of that?


> > > If he didn't ask you for any money, I suspect you don't have
> > > anything to worry about.


> > He originally did (for taxes in MD, CA, and VA) but then he
> > advanced the money from the estate to pay them.


> Then it's possible that you could be responsible for a share
> of the taxes based on the proportionate value of the
> property you inherited to the value of the estate as a
> whole. You need to have the Will and estate tax return
> reviewed before you can be sure.


Yeah, I have to get ahold of that somehow. I've already
asked for it but it's been slow in coming.

Thanks again for your help. I really am greatful for the
simple hard headed advice I got here. I looked for other
newsgroups to broaden my information base but when I saw
what kind of thing was going on in them I just gave that
idea up.

Cheers,
Mike

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Old 11-15-2003, 05:51 PM
Stuart O. Bronstein
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junk[at]junk.com wrote:

- quote -

> So you are saying that I should just add another "item" to
> depreciate which is the "other half" of the property with
> the "placed in service" date as the date of the joint
> owner's death? IOW, I have two "items" depreciating now, my
> original half as it has been for the last X years and a new
> item starting on 07/12/2002. Do I have that right? I don't
> need any "explanation" I just put it there and it all
> "shakes out" when I sell it?


I don't do returns, so I don't know the mechanics of it.
But I'm sure someone will come along soon and educate us
both.

- quote -

> > The only thing you need to be sure you have done in
> > California is that you record a document called Affidavit of
> > Death of Joint Tenant. To that you attach a certified copy
> > of the death certificate. That gets the property into your
> > name.


> Yes, It's on my list of things to do. I have been a bit
> concerned about that as I wondered if filing that would
> trigger acceleration of the loan. IOW, if the "bank" sees a
> change in ownership would they freak out?


It's unlikely that the bank will take notice of it. If you
are already on the loan it's unlikely that they could call
the loan in any case. But in these times you could likely
refinance if necessary and get the loan in your name alone.

There is one other thing you need to do in California, and
depending on your relationship to the deceased and the value
of the property, it may result in an increase in property
tax.

When you record the Affidavid of Death of Joint Tenant, you
will need to file a document called Preliminary Change of
Ownership Form. If you are a child or grandchild of the
deceased you will also have to give them a form to claim
exemption from reappraisal for property tax purposes.

If you were not related in some way, your property tax may
well go up on the inherited half of the property.

- quote -

> > > - I know some kind of Estate tax form was filed by the
> > > Administrator. I don't have that information -- only
> > > a guesstimate. Do I need to know any of that?


> > If he didn't ask you for any money, I suspect you don't have
> > anything to worry about.


> He originally did (for taxes in MD, CA, and VA) but then he
> advanced the money from the estate to pay them.


Then it's possible that you could be responsible for a share
of the taxes based on the proportionate value of the
property you inherited to the value of the estate as a
whole. You need to have the Will and estate tax return
reviewed before you can be sure.

Stu

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Old 11-13-2003, 08:09 PM
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- quote -

> > I owned two properties with a person who died on 07/12/02.
> > The properties were owned Jointly with right of
> > survivorship.


> > - The joint owner died in Virginia
> > - Property A is in California and is a rental
> > - Property B is in Maryland
> > - I live in Property B


> > Questions:


> > - Is there anything I have to do for the IRS? I'm thinking
> > there must be some form to file so that I can start
> > depreciating Property A, for example. Since Property B
> > is my residence, do I have do file anything there?


> If there is an executor or administrator of the estate,
> that's his job. You as a joint tenant really aren't
> responsible, other than perhaps to contribute to estate tax
> if local law requires it under the circumstances.


Yes. The lawyer for the adminstrator advanced payment of
the estate taxes I owe from the estate.

So you are saying that I should just add another "item" to
depreciate which is the "other half" of the property with
the "placed in service" date as the date of the joint
owner's death? IOW, I have two "items" depreciating now, my
original half as it has been for the last X years and a new
item starting on 07/12/2002. Do I have that right? I don't
need any "explanation" I just put it there and it all
"shakes out" when I sell it?

What depreciation schedule do I use? Whatever is current
for property placed in service as of the date of death?

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> If the property was appraised for probate or estate tax
> purposes, you should get a copy of that if you can, and hang
> on to it. It will be helpful to determine what your tax is
> when you sell your property.


Yes, I have contacted the VA office which supervises the
settlement of estates and told them I would like to have
copies of everything.

- quote -

> > - Same question for the State. Is there anything to file
> > with Maryland? California?


> The only thing you need to be sure you have done in
> California is that you record a document called Affidavit of
> Death of Joint Tenant. To that you attach a certified copy
> of the death certificate. That gets the property into your
> name.


Yes, It's on my list of things to do. I have been a bit
concerned about that as I wondered if filing that would
trigger acceleration of the loan. IOW, if the "bank" sees a
change in ownership would they freak out?

- quote -

> > - I know some kind of Estate tax form was filed by the
> > Administrator. I don't have that information -- only a
> > guesstimate. Do I need to know any of that?


> If he didn't ask you for any money, I suspect you don't have
> anything to worry about.


He originally did (for taxes in MD, CA, and VA) but then he
advanced the money from the estate to pay them.

Thank you for taking the time to help clarify this for me.
It's so confusing to understand the various tax systems and
how they interrelate. I've been doing my own taxes for over
30 years but this one confused me.

Cheers,
Mike

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Old 11-12-2003, 04:16 PM
Stuart O. Bronstein
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junk[at]junk.com wrote:

- quote -

> I owned two properties with a person who died on 07/12/02.
> The properties were owned Jointly with right of
> survivorship.
> - The joint owner died in Virginia
> - Property A is in California and is a rental
> - Property B is in Maryland
> - I live in Property B
> Questions:
> - Is there anything I have to do for the IRS? I'm thinking
> there must be some form to file so that I can start
> depreciating Property A, for example. Since Property B
> is my residence, do I have do file anything there?


If there is an executor or administrator of the estate,
that's his job. You as a joint tenant really aren't
responsible, other than perhaps to contribute to estate tax
if local law requires it under the circumstances.

If the property was appraised for probate or estate tax
purposes, you should get a copy of that if you can, and hang
on to it. It will be helpful to determine what your tax is
when you sell your property.

- quote -

> - Same question for the State. Is there anything to file
> with Maryland? California?


The only thing you need to be sure you have done in
California is that you record a document called Affidavit of
Death of Joint Tenant. To that you attach a certified copy
of the death certificate. That gets the property into your
name.

- quote -

> - I know some kind of Estate tax form was filed by the
> Administrator. I don't have that information -- only a
> guesstimate. Do I need to know any of that?


If he didn't ask you for any money, I suspect you don't have
anything to worry about.

Stu

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Old 11-11-2003, 04:24 AM
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Default Inheritance Question

Can anyone give me suggestions about how I handle an
inheritance situation?

Facts:

I owned two properties with a person who died on 07/12/02.
The properties were owned Jointly with right of
survivorship.

- The joint owner died in Virginia
- Property A is in California and is a rental
- Property B is in Maryland
- I live in Property B

Questions:

- Is there anything I have to do for the IRS? I'm thinking
there must be some form to file so that I can start
depreciating Property A, for example. Since Property B
is my residence, do I have do file anything there?

- Same question for the State. Is there anything to file
with Maryland? California?

- I know some kind of Estate tax form was filed by the
Administrator. I don't have that information -- only a
guesstimate. Do I need to know any of that?

Thanks for any help anyone can provide.

Sincerely,
Mike

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