Go Back   CDN Business Directory > Main Category > Taxes

 
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #4  
Old 10-28-2003, 02:39 PM
CLJ1219
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default Re: Paying Subcontractors?

- quote -

> That is necessary so that you can pay him the
> full amount, without having to withhold a certain high
> percentage (28%????)


Harlan,

Isn't that 36%? I've never had to deal with it, but it is
an amount that is rumbling around in my head for some
reason. <G
- quote -

> Did that accountant mention anything about
> having your sub contractor fill out a W-9 form BEFORE your
> paying him?


LOL. He probably did, much as we tell our clients to do
that as well.

Carol

If you awoke to find yourself a success, you weren't asleep.
Semper Gumby (Always Flexible)

<< -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << ------------------------------------------------->
  #3  
Old 10-25-2003, 10:13 PM
Harlan Lunsford
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default Re: Paying Subcontractors?

C. Todd wrote:

- quote -

> First off some background.. I have a day job, and work doing
> webcasts for business conferences on the side. I have a sole
> proprietorship doing this; I recieve my income on a 1099-MISC
> work-for-hire basis.
> For a large job this winter, I have to hire a subcontractor
> to work cameras and do some A/V processing. I've never done
> this before.. I need to know, is there much else I need to do
> tax-wise for this person than send a 1099-MISC to him and the
> IRS, and include that as labor expenses on my schedule C?
> This is what an accountant at work told me; but it seems too
> easy. Is the 1099-MISC all I need?


Not quite. Did that accountant mention anything about
having your sub contractor fill out a W-9 form BEFORE your
paying him? That is necessary so that you can pay him the
full amount, without having to withhold a certain high
percentage (28%????). But if he has complied and furnished
you this W-9 form affirming that he is not subject to backup
witholding, then you may pay the 100%. And then of course
end of year by Jan 31st following furnish him with
1099-misc.

- quote -

> This person is not an employee; this is a one-off event, and
> he will process the tapes on his own time and schedule, at his
> location, under his own direction. He will invoice me for the
> total once done, and I will pay him. This is something he does
> separately and independently on the side as well. Since he's an
> independent contractor, do I still need an EIN?


No EIN needed. Just use your social security number on the
1099's.

- quote -

> Is there any limit to what I can deduct for payments to a
> subcontractor? The entire deal is about $50k; I expect his work
> to cost about $15k. I am expecting that this will be a deduction
> from my gross profits just like travel expenses, lodging, equipment
> rental and repair.. Is this true?


You're right on the money.

- quote -

> Also.. this person is a relative (cousin). Is that ever an issue??
> (I don't see why it would be -- but who knows.)


Not a problem.

Cheer$,
Harlan LUnsford, EA in LA

<< -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << ------------------------------------------------->
  #2  
Old 10-25-2003, 09:53 PM
CLJ1219
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default Re: Paying Subcontractors?

- quote -

> I need to know, is there much else I need to do tax-wise for
> this person than send a 1099-MISC to him and the IRS, and
> include that as labor expenses on my schedule C?


That's about it.

- quote -

> Since he's an independent contractor, do I still need an EIN?

You can use your Social Security number.

- quote -

> Is there any limit to what I can deduct for payments to
> a subcontractor?


No. Though it might not be wise to pay them more than you
receive. <G
- quote -

> I am expecting that this will be a deduction from my gross
> profits just like travel expenses, lodging, equipment rental
> and repair.. Is this true?


That is true.

- quote -

> Also.. this person is a relative (cousin). Is that ever an issue??

So, he or she is a relative. Matters not in the least. It
is HOW you treat them, how much control you have over what
they do, that matters.

Carol

If you awoke to find yourself a success, you weren't asleep.
Semper Gumby (Always Flexible)

<< -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << ------------------------------------------------->
  #1  
Old 10-25-2003, 09:53 PM
Arthur L. Rubin
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default Re: Paying Subcontractors?

C. Todd wrote:

- quote -

> Hello.. I have a question concerning paying independent
> subcontractors.


I'm sure they'll appreciate that...

OK, assuming that your cousin really IS an independent
contractor (which seems likely, but I'm not familiar
enough with the industry to be sure), you need a W-9
from him, certifying his SSN or EIN. If he's a
corporation (unlikely, I know), you don't need to file
a 1099-MISC. If he doesn't certify that he's exempt
from backup withholding, you need to do that. You
don't need an EIN (except possibly to file the
backup withholding -- I haven't checked). If he
does certify he's exempt from backup withholding,
your only requirement is to file the 1099-MISC.

There may be additional State requirements. For example,
in California, you'd need to report him as an independent
contractor on form DE-542 within 20(?) days of when you
either pay him over $600 or contract for over $600.

In other states, you may have to file the state copy of
the 1099-MISC with the state equivalent of the 1096.

The payment can be deducted on your schedule C. I
might put it under "professional services".

Being a relative might make the IRS contest the
"reasonableness" of the payment -- but you don't
have to specifically report that he IS a relative.


<< -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << ------------------------------------------------->
 
Old 10-25-2003, 09:53 PM
Arthur Kamlet
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default Re: Paying Subcontractors?

C. Todd <tcp277[at]yahoo.com> wrote:

- quote -

> Hello.. I have a question concerning paying independent
> subcontractors.
> First off some background.. I have a day job, and work doing
> webcasts for business conferences on the side. I have a sole
> proprietorship doing this; I recieve my income on a 1099-MISC
> work-for-hire basis.
> For a large job this winter, I have to hire a subcontractor
> to work cameras and do some A/V processing. I've never done
> this before.. I need to know, is there much else I need to do
> tax-wise for this person than send a 1099-MISC to him and the
> IRS, and include that as labor expenses on my schedule C?
> This is what an accountant at work told me; but it seems too
> easy. Is the 1099-MISC all I need?


You would normally have him fill out a Form W-9 to let you
know his SSN, and you would transmit the original
red-colored 1099-Misc to the IRS using an original Form
1096.

- quote -

> This person is not an employee; this is a one-off event, and
> he will process the tapes on his own time and schedule, at his
> location, under his own direction. He will invoice me for the
> total once done, and I will pay him. This is something he does
> separately and independently on the side as well. Since he's an
> independent contractor, do I still need an EIN?


Assuming a real contractor you do not need an EIN.

- quote -

> Is there any limit to what I can deduct for payments to a
> subcontractor?


The expenses must have been actually paid during the year
for cash basis businesses, and the expenses must be
reasonable, customary and necessary for your business.

- quote -

> The entire deal is about $50k; I expect his work
> to cost about $15k. I am expecting that this will be a deduction
> from my gross profits just like travel expenses, lodging, equipment
> rental and repair.. Is this true?


Yes -- usually a Sch C Line 27 item labeled Subcontract
work.

- quote -

> Also.. this person is a relative (cousin). Is that ever an issue??
> (I don't see why it would be -- but who knows.)


Should be OK.

__
Art Kamlet ArtKamlet [at] AOL.com Columbus OH K2PZH

<< -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << ------------------------------------------------->
  #-1  
Old 10-24-2003, 07:45 AM
C. Todd
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default Paying Subcontractors?

Newsgroups: misc.taxes.moderated

Hello.. I have a question concerning paying independent
subcontractors.

First off some background.. I have a day job, and work doing
webcasts for business conferences on the side. I have a sole
proprietorship doing this; I recieve my income on a 1099-MISC
work-for-hire basis.

For a large job this winter, I have to hire a subcontractor
to work cameras and do some A/V processing. I've never done
this before.. I need to know, is there much else I need to do
tax-wise for this person than send a 1099-MISC to him and the
IRS, and include that as labor expenses on my schedule C?
This is what an accountant at work told me; but it seems too
easy. Is the 1099-MISC all I need?

This person is not an employee; this is a one-off event, and
he will process the tapes on his own time and schedule, at his
location, under his own direction. He will invoice me for the
total once done, and I will pay him. This is something he does
separately and independently on the side as well. Since he's an
independent contractor, do I still need an EIN?

Is there any limit to what I can deduct for payments to a
subcontractor? The entire deal is about $50k; I expect his work
to cost about $15k. I am expecting that this will be a deduction
from my gross profits just like travel expenses, lodging, equipment
rental and repair.. Is this true?

Also.. this person is a relative (cousin). Is that ever an issue??
(I don't see why it would be -- but who knows.)

Thanks in advance for any help.

<< -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << ------------------------------------------------->
 

Tags
paying, subcontractors
Similar Threads
Thread Forum Replies Last Post
Paying Myself
-Draino-: I will soon have direct deposit for all my income. I need to pay myself from one of the accounts each week. What would be the best way to set this...
Microsoft Money 1 10-03-2005 11:42 PM



Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off

All times are GMT. The time now is 06:03 AM.