Ernie Klein <eckleinspammenot[at]pacbell.net> wrote

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According to the survey I got, my coreness rating was 0.002.
I believe I had either 7 or 9 posts in the applicable 12
month period. I don't see how 0.002 gets me in the top 10%,
much less the top 20%.

So if you figure out how you got a survey, let me know your
methodolgy!

Peter

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I got a survey and I think my coreness was something like
..37 -- don't remember the rest of the statistics (like how
many posts I had). Although I've responded to posts in prior
years, in this last year I've mainly posted to ask
questions. So, my level of "coreness" is definitely on a
different level than that of some of you who are involved
with mtm on a more daily basis. Anyway, I'm glad you're all
out there and willing to deal with these questions
(including mine).

Jan Zobel EA

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I disagree!!

Uh, oops.

Stu

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Charles Markham, EA" <goaheadandspamaway[at]aol.com> wrote:

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Sorry Charles, you'll have to ask each other. ;-)

Besides, your own informed opinion of the MTM is probably more
accurate than my mathematical model.

cheers,

Enrique

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"Charles Markham, EA" <goaheadandspamaway[at]aol.com> wrote:

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Well, a google search shows that I have posted to this group
22 (this post makes 23) times in the past 7 years and I got
a survey request. So I guess an average of 3.14 posts per
year makes me a 'core poster'.

Go figure.

--
-Ernie-

"There are only two kinds of computer users -- those who have
suffered a catastrophic hard drive failure, and those who will."

Have you done your backup today?

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Looks like coreness could have a negative correlation to
knowledge. If a poster is generally wrong, he will get
follow-ups!

--
Don EA in Upstate NY

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Aw come on--you GOT to tell us who the core posters are!

Charles Markham, EA

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"D.F. Manno" <dommanno[at]netscape.net> wrote:

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I am wondering if coreness really works in this group
anyway. This is essentially a question and answer forum so
the responses to a message are more focused on the question
being asked (and the amount of debate amongst the experts
that it generates) than any centrality of the poster.

--
I do not recall being voted the Village Idiot... but my name
was on the ballot.

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D.F. Manno wrote:

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I also received a follow-up email and sent it to the trash.

Lois

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Dick Adams wrote:
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I got a followup e-mail from the guy taking the survey, It
includes the following:

P.S. About Coreness

Coreness is a mathematical measure of the centrality of an
actor in a communications network (and a newsgroup is a
virtual network, with all its criss-crossing of messages).
To put it simply, the more people post follow-ups to a
person's messages, the higher that person's coreness will
be. Also, the coreness measure will not be easily fooled by
massive posting: a troll might post 1000 messages to a
newsgroup, but if no one posts follow-ups (i.e. if he is
ignored) his coreness degree will come out at zero.

More technically, I am using Borgatti-Everett's continuous
core-periphery model as implemented in a software tool they
wrote called UCINET. Coreness is by no means an infallible
measure (for example, it cannot measure how knowledgeable a
participant is), but it does provide a helpful indicator of
prominent participants in a newsgroup.

I used coreness to select the participants in each of twelve
professionally-oriented newsgroups that would receive an
invitation to take the survey. Specifically, of all people
who posted to the newsgroups over a 12 month period, only
the top 20% ranked by coreness were included in the sample
(in the larger newsgroups, only the top 10%).

--
D.F. Manno
dommanno[at]netscape.net

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Drew Edmundson wrote:

(Actually, Professor Adams wrote

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As my number was less than 0.1, I would have guessed the
other way around....

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This account is subject to a persistent MS Blaster and SWEN
attack. I think I've got the problem resolved, but, if you
E-mail me and it bounces, a second try might work. However,
please reply in newsgroup.

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Drew Edmundson wrote:
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No chaos is defined as the reciprocal of zero divided by
one. QED Social scientists prove the world is the way they
wish it was.

--
Frederick E. Jorden http://Tax-Accounting-Payroll.com
7825 Midlothian Tpk - 207 Richmond, VA 23235-5247 EMAIL knowtax[at]bigfoot.com
(804) 320-6210 FAX (804) 320-6211

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Dick Adams <rdadams[at]smart.net> wrote:

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Thanks for the validation, Dick. I received the survey and
was debating whether this might be some scam or other. Sad,
how paranoid we are getting about unsolicited email!!

Herb

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Dick Adams <rdadams[at]smart.net> wrote:

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Dr. Adams, can you put on your professor's hat and explain
what a "coreness degree" is?

Drew Edmundson, CPA (NC)
e-mail is my first name at nccpa dot com
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It is Professor Adams, not Dr. Social Science research
methodologies are very touchy-feelly. Several of these
methodologies (likert scores for one) are frowned upon
in other disciplines. That means I have no Social
Science research references available nor do I currently
have any interest in acquiring any.

So back to degree of coreness. Maybe it's an entropy
metric where "0" is highly-structured and "1" is chaos.
================================================== =========

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Dick Adams wrote:

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I got it too, but the survey was to be found on a web site,
with the link posted in the email message.
This coupled with the fact that the email address was in
Poland, made me quickly press the delete key.
No way. And his name isn't even "Sven", either! lol

Although I agree with your second paragraph in principal.

Cheer$,
Harlan Lunsford, EA in LA

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I responded. I had a friend living in England who did taxes
for DOD employees, mostly teachers, and he told me some of
the differences between the Inland Revenue and the Internal
Revenue.

Some of the questions are difficult to answer since they
have assumptions that don't quite fit.

Nan, EA in LA

PREJUDICE can be divided into PRE-JUDGEMENTS (easier than
thinking) and BIGOTRY (easier to feel good about oneself
when one can push down another group).

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Dick Adams <rdadams[at]smart.net> writes:

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Perhaps, but spamming newsgroup participants is bad karma.
If he wanted to reach MTM participants he should have posted
his survey in the newsgroup.

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A graduate student at the University of Bradford in England
is conducting a research survey and has sent surveys to many
of us. While I have yet to read the survey, I encourage
everyone who has received a survey to respond to it.

Assisting academics in their research is good karma.

Dick

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