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| Dick Adams wrote: - quote - > Harlan Lunsford <hlunsfordns[at]bellsouth.net> writes:
attitude.> > Dick Adams wrote: > > > "MichelleinAtlanta" <me[at]you.com> wrote > > > > I have several restaurant clients who donate food to charity > > > > events. They receive a letter from the charity thanking them > > > > and quantifying the amount of the donation. Isn't the > > > > donation deducted in the ordinary course of business as > > > > "food purchases" or when I adjust the "inventory change" > > > > account? As an S Corp, they don't get to write off the > > > > "sales price" of the food, just the cost. Other than > > > > reclassifying food costs and charitable contributions, > > > > am I missing a deduction? > > > In an ideal world, the food should be transferred from > > > inventory to charitable donations. And that is the way > > > grocery stores should do it. > > > > > But a restaurant has the problem assigning direct labor > > > costs for food preparation to the donation. They should > > > just let it wash out in Cost of Goods Sold with meticulous > > > documentation for the sales tax auditors (who can be some > > > of the nastiest, self-rightous bastards on the planet). > > I'm shocked! calling those servants of the state such a word. > > For shame. (remember, I deal with them quite often.)> > > However, speaking of assigning direct labor costs, that may > > not be necessary. All she said was donating food, not > > necessarily prepared food. > > > If prepared food, then sales tax implications are that the > > state is due their percentage on retail price. But if just > > unprepared food, the measure of tax is on the wholesale > > cost. > Interesting!! So at the end of each day a very large > restaurant has $60 (retail value) of food that they drop off > at a shelter. If they toss it in the dumpster, it'll just > wash out in COGS. But since they donate it to a charity, > they owe the Sales Tax gang 5% of $60 * 365 or $1,095. > Is that what you are saying, Harlan? If it is, then the > optimal tax strategy is to tell the shelter people where > the dumpster is located. <smirk You hit the nail right on the head, Dick. That's their However, would you really want to tell a charity to go "dumpster diving"? ![]() C$, HL ================================================== ========== Moderator: QED ================================================== ========== << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| - quote - > I have several restaurant clients who donate food to charity
If this is just the "uncooked" food (bags of rice, boxes of> events. They receive a letter from the charity thanking them > and quantifying the amount of the donation. Isn't the > donation deducted in the ordinary course of business as > "food purchases" or when I adjust the "inventory change" > account? As an S Corp, they don't get to write off the > "sales price" of the food, just the cost. Other than > reclassifying food costs and charitable contributions, am I > missing a deduction? pasta, cans of beans, etc) you could just debit donations and credit inventory for the cost of the food. If is cooked food, you could theoretically go through the trouble of allocating the incremental costs to donations, and crediting the appropriate expenses (gas, labor, overhead, etc), but the donations may not be material enough to waste all the time to do so. << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| Harlan Lunsford <hlunsfordns[at]bellsouth.net> writes: - quote - > Dick Adams wrote:
Interesting!! So at the end of each day a very large> > "MichelleinAtlanta" <me[at]you.com> wrote > > > I have several restaurant clients who donate food to charity > > > events. They receive a letter from the charity thanking them > > > and quantifying the amount of the donation. Isn't the > > > donation deducted in the ordinary course of business as > > > "food purchases" or when I adjust the "inventory change" > > > account? As an S Corp, they don't get to write off the > > > "sales price" of the food, just the cost. Other than > > > reclassifying food costs and charitable contributions, > > > am I missing a deduction? > > In an ideal world, the food should be transferred from > > inventory to charitable donations. And that is the way > > grocery stores should do it. > > > But a restaurant has the problem assigning direct labor > > costs for food preparation to the donation. They should > > just let it wash out in Cost of Goods Sold with meticulous > > documentation for the sales tax auditors (who can be some > > of the nastiest, self-rightous bastards on the planet). > I'm shocked! calling those servants of the state such a word. > For shame. (remember, I deal with them quite often.)> However, speaking of assigning direct labor costs, that may > not be necessary. All she said was donating food, not > necessarily prepared food. > If prepared food, then sales tax implications are that the > state is due their percentage on retail price. But if just > unprepared food, the measure of tax is on the wholesale > cost. restaurant has $60 (retail value) of food that they drop off at a shelter. If they toss it in the dumpster, it'll just wash out in COGS. But since they donate it to a charity, they owe the Sales Tax gang 5% of $60 * 365 or $1,095. Is that what you are saying, Harlan? If it is, then the optimal tax strategy is to tell the shelter people where the dumpster is located. <smirk Dick << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| Paul A. Thomas wrote: - quote - > "MichelleinAtlanta" <me[at]you.com> wrote
Okay Paul, I'll go along with you on this, up to a "de> > I have several restaurant clients who donate food to charity > > events. They receive a letter from the charity thanking them > > and quantifying the amount of the donation. Isn't the > > donation deducted in the ordinary course of business as > > "food purchases" or when I adjust the "inventory change" > > account? As an S Corp, they don't get to write off the > > "sales price" of the food, just the cost. Other than > > reclassifying food costs and charitable contributions, am I > > missing a deduction? > Nope. It's probably wrong, but easiest and best to leave it > in COGS instead of moving the 'donated' goods to > Contributions. minimus" amount of ... say...... .001% of retails sales? (1/10 percent, same guidline I favor for cash short/over) But remember the sales tax boys from Atlanta, Michelle, and Athens, Paul. (Come to think of it, I only have one Georgia sales tax client right now. and I just LOVE that sales tax short form; much better than the old thin line reports.) Cheer$, from "way down..... near Columbus.. Geor.....ja!" Harlan Lunsford, EA in LA, just cross the hootch. << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| Dick Adams wrote: - quote - > "MichelleinAtlanta" <me[at]you.com> wrote
I'm shocked! calling those servants of the state such a word.> > I have several restaurant clients who donate food to charity > > events. They receive a letter from the charity thanking them > > and quantifying the amount of the donation. Isn't the > > donation deducted in the ordinary course of business as > > "food purchases" or when I adjust the "inventory change" > > account? As an S Corp, they don't get to write off the > > "sales price" of the food, just the cost. Other than > > reclassifying food costs and charitable contributions, > > am I missing a deduction? > In an ideal world, the food should be transferred from > inventory to charitable donations. And that is the way > grocery stores should do it. > But a restaurant has the problem assigning direct labor > costs for food preparation to the donation. They should > just let it wash out in Cost of Goods Sold with meticulous > documentation for the sales tax auditors (who can be some > of the nastiest, self-rightous bastards on the planet). For shame. ![]() (remember, I deal with them quite often.) However, speaking of assigning direct labor costs, that may not be necessary. All she said was donating food, not necessarily prepared food. If prepared food, then sales tax implications are that the state is due their percentage on retail price. But if just unprepared food, the measure of tax is on the wholesale cost. Cheer$, Harlan Lunsford, EA in LA << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| MichelleinAtlanta wrote: - quote - > I have several restaurant clients who donate food to charity
Nope. Cost of food should be withdrawn from Cost of goods> events. They receive a letter from the charity thanking them > and quantifying the amount of the donation. Isn't the > donation deducted in the ordinary course of business as > "food purchases" or when I adjust the "inventory change" > account? As an S Corp, they don't get to write off the > "sales price" of the food, just the cost. Other than > reclassifying food costs and charitable contributions, am I > missing a deduction? sold and "allocated" as charitable contribution consistence with shareholders' shares. (huh? lol) Cheer$, Harlan Lunsford, EA in LA << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| "MichelleinAtlanta" <me[at]you.com> wrote - quote - > I have several restaurant clients who donate food to charity
Nope. It's probably wrong, but easiest and best to leave it> events. They receive a letter from the charity thanking them > and quantifying the amount of the donation. Isn't the > donation deducted in the ordinary course of business as > "food purchases" or when I adjust the "inventory change" > account? As an S Corp, they don't get to write off the > "sales price" of the food, just the cost. Other than > reclassifying food costs and charitable contributions, am I > missing a deduction? in COGS instead of moving the 'donated' goods to Contributions. -- Paul A. Thomas, CPA --------------------- Everyday I beat my own previous record for number of consecutive days I have stayed alive. << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| "MichelleinAtlanta" <me[at]you.com> wrote - quote - > I have several restaurant clients who donate food to charity
In an ideal world, the food should be transferred from> events. They receive a letter from the charity thanking them > and quantifying the amount of the donation. Isn't the > donation deducted in the ordinary course of business as > "food purchases" or when I adjust the "inventory change" > account? As an S Corp, they don't get to write off the > "sales price" of the food, just the cost. Other than > reclassifying food costs and charitable contributions, > am I missing a deduction? inventory to charitable donations. And that is the way grocery stores should do it. But a restaurant has the problem assigning direct labor costs for food preparation to the donation. They should just let it wash out in Cost of Goods Sold with meticulous documentation for the sales tax auditors (who can be some of the nastiest, self-rightous bastards on the planet). Dick << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| I have several restaurant clients who donate food to charity events. They receive a letter from the charity thanking them and quantifying the amount of the donation. Isn't the donation deducted in the ordinary course of business as "food purchases" or when I adjust the "inventory change" account? As an S Corp, they don't get to write off the "sales price" of the food, just the cost. Other than reclassifying food costs and charitable contributions, am I missing a deduction? Michelle Botwinick, CPA << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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