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| Even if he qualifies as a minister - and even if he qualifies for a housing allowance - the entire housing allowance is not automatically excluded from taxable income. It must all be spent on housing expenses in order for all of it to be excluded from income. For instance, if his total compensation is $50,000 and 40% is housing allowance ($20,000), if he only spends $18,000 on housing expenses the other $2,000 will need to come back in as wages on line 7. Mary Ann Thomas, EA in AZ << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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It does if the denomination (in this case, a major> > > university of a major denomination. He completed the > > > necessary course work to be granted the title, "Dr. of > > > Religion" and to be considered "called" and eligible to > > > treat his salary and housing allowance under the rules for > > > ministers. He has done so for the past 3 years. In June, > > > his contract with the university expired and he declined to > > > renew it. The university offered him a "deal" of the > > > equivalent of 6 months salary (unearned) in exchange for a > > > commitment to remain silent about why he chose not to renew > > > his contract. He is still considered "called" by his > > > denomination and is "on standby" for placement in any of the > > > denomination's several universities. > > > > > I am seeking the opinions of other tax professionals on > > > these two points: > > > > > 1. Is this money that he was paid to keep his mouth shut > > > considered wages (and thus subject to SE tax) or is it misc > > > (unearned) income? > > > > > 2. If wages, can he take the same 60%/40% split that he was > > > using for housing allowance over the past three years or is > > > none of it allowable for housing allowance? > > I am not a tax pro. > > > But it seems to me that the deal offered by the university > > contains at least several elements of consideration > > (duties), 1. That he maintain silence and 2 that he remain > > on staff as "standyby" and in that light I would continue > > to treat his compensation as wages. The legal concept of > > consideration includes agreeing not to do something. > > > I have a personal problem with aggressive use of housing > > allowances but that is not your question. If the prior > > 60/40 split passed muster, I would look to if there are any > > changes in his status, and if not, I would continue said > > treatment. The fact that he was assigned very limited duties > > does not mean he gave up the calling. > > > (If he moved away and was not in fact available to be called > > because he took another position I might think otherwise.) > I am not sure that the professor should be receiving a > housing allowance or. in fact, if he has one. > Have a doctorate and teaching in a denomination college does > not make one eligible to receive the housing allowance. > Also, there is no information in the posting that indicates > that the housing allowance being taken was a predesignated > amount. Protestant denomination headquartered in the USA) has an agreement with the IRS that those professors who qualify as "Doctors of Religion" (which this client does) are "called" by the religious body and qualify for same tax treatment as ministers/pastors. - quote - > If he does qualify for a housing allowance there does not
Yes, the 60/40 split is a predesignation.> appear to be any predesignation of housing allowance to the > additional amount in question. > The 60/40 split referenced could refer to a predesignation. - quote - > I would have to read the contract to see how it was written
Good thought... I'll ask him about the actual original> to make sure that he qualifies for the housing allowance to > start with and then to determine if this additional income > seems to fall within the scope of this contract or if it is > actually a new and different contract. contract. << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| - quote - > > Client is a professor (of a secular subject) at a religious
I am not sure that the professor should be receiving a> > university of a major denomination. He completed the > > necessary course work to be granted the title, "Dr. of > > Religion" and to be considered "called" and eligible to > > treat his salary and housing allowance under the rules for > > ministers. He has done so for the past 3 years. In June, > > his contract with the university expired and he declined to > > renew it. The university offered him a "deal" of the > > equivalent of 6 months salary (unearned) in exchange for a > > commitment to remain silent about why he chose not to renew > > his contract. He is still considered "called" by his > > denomination and is "on standby" for placement in any of the > > denomination's several universities. > > > I am seeking the opinions of other tax professionals on > > these two points: > > > 1. Is this money that he was paid to keep his mouth shut > > considered wages (and thus subject to SE tax) or is it misc > > (unearned) income? > > > 2. If wages, can he take the same 60%/40% split that he was > > using for housing allowance over the past three years or is > > none of it allowable for housing allowance? > I am not a tax pro. > But it seems to me that the deal offered by the university > contains at least several elements of consideration > (duties), 1. That he maintain silence and 2 that he remain > on staff as "standyby" and in that light I would continue > to treat his compensation as wages. The legal concept of > consideration includes agreeing not to do something. > I have a personal problem with aggressive use of housing > allowances but that is not your question. If the prior > 60/40 split passed muster, I would look to if there are any > changes in his status, and if not, I would continue said > treatment. The fact that he was assigned very limited duties > does not mean he gave up the calling. > (If he moved away and was not in fact available to be called > because he took another position I might think otherwise.) housing allowance or. in fact, if he has one. Have a doctorate and teaching in a denomination college does not make one eligible to receive the housing allowance. Also, there is no information in the posting that indicates that the housing allowance being taken was a predesignated amount. If he does qualify for a housing allowance there does not appear to be any predesignation of housing allowance to the additional amount in question. The 60/40 split referenced could refer to a predesignation. I would have to read the contract to see how it was written to make sure that he qualifies for the housing allowance to start with and then to determine if this additional income seems to fall within the scope of this contract or if it is actually a new and different contract. I think there are too many questions to make any determination at this point. I do agree that it could be possible. << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| - quote - > Client is a professor (of a secular subject) at a religious
I am not a tax pro.> university of a major denomination. He completed the > necessary course work to be granted the title, "Dr. of > Religion" and to be considered "called" and eligible to > treat his salary and housing allowance under the rules for > ministers. He has done so for the past 3 years. In June, > his contract with the university expired and he declined to > renew it. The university offered him a "deal" of the > equivalent of 6 months salary (unearned) in exchange for a > commitment to remain silent about why he chose not to renew > his contract. He is still considered "called" by his > denomination and is "on standby" for placement in any of the > denomination's several universities. > I am seeking the opinions of other tax professionals on > these two points: > 1. Is this money that he was paid to keep his mouth shut > considered wages (and thus subject to SE tax) or is it misc > (unearned) income? > 2. If wages, can he take the same 60%/40% split that he was > using for housing allowance over the past three years or is > none of it allowable for housing allowance? But it seems to me that the deal offered by the university contains at least several elements of consideration (duties), 1. That he maintain silence and 2 that he remain on staff as "standyby" and in that light I would continue to treat his compensation as wages. The legal concept of consideration includes agreeing not to do something. I have a personal problem with aggressive use of housing allowances but that is not your question. If the prior 60/40 split passed muster, I would look to if there are any changes in his status, and if not, I would continue said treatment. The fact that he was assigned very limited duties does not mean he gave up the calling. (If he moved away and was not in fact available to be called because he took another position I might think otherwise.) << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| Client is a professor (of a secular subject) at a religious university of a major denomination. He completed the necessary course work to be granted the title, "Dr. of Religion" and to be considered "called" and eligible to treat his salary and housing allowance under the rules for ministers. He has done so for the past 3 years. In June, his contract with the university expired and he declined to renew it. The university offered him a "deal" of the equivalent of 6 months salary (unearned) in exchange for a commitment to remain silent about why he chose not to renew his contract. He is still considered "called" by his denomination and is "on standby" for placement in any of the denomination's several universities. I am seeking the opinions of other tax professionals on these two points: 1. Is this money that he was paid to keep his mouth shut considered wages (and thus subject to SE tax) or is it misc (unearned) income? 2. If wages, can he take the same 60%/40% split that he was using for housing allowance over the past three years or is none of it allowable for housing allowance? Thanks in advance for your opinions Elizabeth A. Brennan, EA << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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