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Old 09-10-2003, 06:59 AM
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"Wayne Brasch" <waynebrasch[at]stowetel.com> wrote:
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> "ed" <ed[at]edcosoft.com> wrote:
> > "Stewart Rowe" <srowe[at]fuse.net> wrote:


> > > My income, year-to-date, is about 75% dividends and 25%
> > > other income (interest, part of Social Security, etc.). In
> > > the absence of updated forms, the naive way to figure taxes
> > > would be (dealing with "annualized" amounts for the third
> > > period estimate) to handle the dividends as the forms have
> > > handled capital gains for years. This has the effect of
> > > subtracting all the annualized deductions from the
> > > non-dividend income, in effect further reducing the
> > > effective rate on that income. It also generates some
> > > unbelievable results in certain periods.
> > > > > Sure, they'll get me some with AMT, but does anyone have a
> > > clue on how this is to be handled in the regular tax
> > > calculation?


> > The IRS is slow in getting correct or sufficient information
> > onto their web site to do this. Put * 2210 tax calculator
> > * into any search engine to find a calculator for your
> > installments. Ed


> Form 2210 calculates penalties that may apply because of the
> failure to correctly make estimated tax payments. I does not
> calculate the estimated tax payments themselves.


A 2210 calculator computes the amount of installments due
that will just satisfy form 2210 for no penalties. That's
usually MUCH lower than 1/4 of 110% of last year's tax,
particularly this year. Publication 505 tries to step you
through the process but is woefully inadequate and a LOT of
manual calculations. You don't need to compute the penalty
until next April. Ed

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Old 09-09-2003, 05:53 AM
Wayne Brasch
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"ed" <ed[at]edcosoft.com> wrote:
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> "Stewart Rowe" <srowe[at]fuse.net> wrote:

> > My income, year-to-date, is about 75% dividends and 25%
> > other income (interest, part of Social Security, etc.). In
> > the absence of updated forms, the naive way to figure taxes
> > would be (dealing with "annualized" amounts for the third
> > period estimate) to handle the dividends as the forms have
> > handled capital gains for years. This has the effect of
> > subtracting all the annualized deductions from the
> > non-dividend income, in effect further reducing the
> > effective rate on that income. It also generates some
> > unbelievable results in certain periods.
> > > Sure, they'll get me some with AMT, but does anyone have a

> > clue on how this is to be handled in the regular tax
> > calculation?


> The IRS is slow in getting correct or sufficient information
> onto their web site to do this. Put * 2210 tax calculator
> * into any search engine to find a calculator for your
> installments. Ed


Form 2210 calculates penalties that may apply because of the
failure to correctly make estimated tax payments. I does not
calculate the estimated tax payments themselves.

Wayne Brasch, CPA, M. S. Taxation

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Old 09-09-2003, 05:34 AM
Wayne Brasch
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"ed" <ed[at]edcosoft.com> wrote:
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> "Stewart Rowe" <srowe[at]fuse.net> wrote:

> > My income, year-to-date, is about 75% dividends and 25%
> > other income (interest, part of Social Security, etc.). In
> > the absence of updated forms, the naive way to figure taxes
> > would be (dealing with "annualized" amounts for the third
> > period estimate) to handle the dividends as the forms have
> > handled capital gains for years. This has the effect of
> > subtracting all the annualized deductions from the
> > non-dividend income, in effect further reducing the
> > effective rate on that income. It also generates some
> > unbelievable results in certain periods.
> > > Sure, they'll get me some with AMT, but does anyone have a

> > clue on how this is to be handled in the regular tax
> > calculation?


> The IRS is slow in getting correct or sufficient information
> onto their web site to do this. Put * 2210 tax calculator
> * into any search engine to find a calculator for your
> installments. Ed


Form 2210 calculates penalties that may apply because of the
failure to correctly make estimated tax payments. I does not
calculate the estimated tax payments themselves.

Wayne Brasch, CPA, M. S. Taxation

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Old 09-08-2003, 02:30 AM
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Default Re: 2210 AI Question

"Stewart Rowe" <srowe[at]fuse.net> wrote:

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> My income, year-to-date, is about 75% dividends and 25%
> other income (interest, part of Social Security, etc.). In
> the absence of updated forms, the naive way to figure taxes
> would be (dealing with "annualized" amounts for the third
> period estimate) to handle the dividends as the forms have
> handled capital gains for years. This has the effect of
> subtracting all the annualized deductions from the
> non-dividend income, in effect further reducing the
> effective rate on that income. It also generates some
> unbelievable results in certain periods.
> Sure, they'll get me some with AMT, but does anyone have a
> clue on how this is to be handled in the regular tax
> calculation?


The IRS is slow in getting correct or sufficient information
onto their web site to do this. Put * 2210 tax calculator
* into any search engine to find a calculator for your
installments. Ed

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Old 09-07-2003, 06:14 AM
Stewart Rowe
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Default 2210 AI Question

My income, year-to-date, is about 75% dividends and 25%
other income (interest, part of Social Security, etc.). In
the absence of updated forms, the naive way to figure taxes
would be (dealing with "annualized" amounts for the third
period estimate) to handle the dividends as the forms have
handled capital gains for years. This has the effect of
subtracting all the annualized deductions from the
non-dividend income, in effect further reducing the
effective rate on that income. It also generates some
unbelievable results in certain periods.

Sure, they'll get me some with AMT, but does anyone have a
clue on how this is to be handled in the regular tax
calculation?

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