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Old 09-10-2003, 06:21 AM
Dave Woods, EA
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> > > Can the parent still claim the child for EIC and not take
> > > the child as a dependent.


> > If the child's main place of residence is at school for more
> > than half of the year, you can't claim EIC at all.


> But if the child lived at home except for a temporary
> absense at schoool -- and temporary can be the whole time
> she was a full time student -- the temporary absense does
> not count.


True but I've lost track of how many people I know who went
away for school.....and never came back or lived there year
round. The code actually reads "main place of abode", which
IMO isn't hard to establish with a student. They either
live away from home on a temporary absence or they simply
live away from home.

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Boston, MA 02109

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Old 09-08-2003, 02:30 AM
Arthur Kamlet
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John H. Fisher <taxservice[at]aol.compliance> wrote:
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> rutgers10[at]aol.com (Rutgers10) writes:

> > If a taxpayer has a child (the child is away at college),
> > the child is a full time student, the parent and child lived
> > in the US, and the taxpayer had income of less than $20,000,
> > however the child while working in the summer made
> > approximately $12,000 which they spent on themselves
> > > Can the parent still claim the child for EIC and not take

> > the child as a dependent. And can the child claim themselves
> > as a dependent since they provided more than half their own
> > support.


> The parent may not claim the child, in this case, unless it
> can be shown that the parent provided more than 1/2 the
> child's support.


Support is not an issue to claim the child for EIC unless the
tie-breaker rules have to be invoked due to disagreement between
several people who wish to claim EIC based on that child.

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> The parent could continue to file as head
> of household and the child would file as single, claiming
> itself, on its own return.


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Old 09-07-2003, 04:47 AM
Arthur Kamlet
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Rutgers10 <rutgers10[at]aol.com> wrote:

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> If a taxpayer has a child (the child is away at college),
> the child is a full time student, the parent and child lived
> in the US, and the taxpayer had income of less than $20,000,
> however the child while working in the summer made
> approximately $12,000 which they spent on themselves
> Can the parent still claim the child for EIC and not take
> the child as a dependent. And can the child claim themselves
> as a dependent since they provided more than half their own
> support.


If the child is a full-time student under age 24 and lived
with the parent in the US for more than 6 months ignoring
any time temporarily away from home, such as while at
school, then yes, but see the tie-breaker rules.

If there is another parent who might separately make that
same statement, there are tie-breaker rules to see who gets
to claim EIC if they cannot agree.

The IRS might question whether you are truly entitled to
claim EIC if not claiming a dependency exemption for the
child, and starting next year might ask you to precertify
your eligibility to do so, but you could still be entitled
to claim EIC.

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Old 09-07-2003, 04:28 AM
Phil Marti
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rutgers10[at]aol.com (Rutgers10) writes:

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> If a taxpayer has a child (the child is away at college),
> the child is a full time student, the parent and child lived
> in the US, and the taxpayer had income of less than $20,000,
> however the child while working in the summer made
> approximately $12,000 which they spent on themselves
> Can the parent still claim the child for EIC and not take
> the child as a dependent.


Addressing only the dependency issue, yes. Neither the
Earned Income Credit nor Head of Household filing status
requires that a qualifying child be a dependent.

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> And can the child claim themselves
> as a dependent since they provided more than half their own
> support.


Yes.

Phil Marti
Topeka, KS

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Old 09-07-2003, 04:28 AM
A.G. Kalman
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rutgers10[at]aol.com (Rutgers10) wrote:

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> If a taxpayer has a child (the child is away at college),
> the child is a full time student, the parent and child lived
> in the US, and the taxpayer had income of less than $20,000,
> however the child while working in the summer made
> approximately $12,000 which they spent on themselves
> Can the parent still claim the child for EIC and not take
> the child as a dependent. And can the child claim themselves
> as a dependent since they provided more than half their own
> support.


For purposes of the EITC, your child does not have to be
your dependent. In the scenario you have provided, the child
would be a qualifying child if a full time student under age
24 and teh child lived with you for more than half the year.
Temporary absence to attend school counts as time spent
living with you.

If the child is self supporting, the child would claim their
own personal exemption.

Alan
http://taxtopics.net

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Old 09-05-2003, 02:17 AM
Rutgers10
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Default Earned Income Tax Question

If a taxpayer has a child (the child is away at college),
the child is a full time student, the parent and child lived
in the US, and the taxpayer had income of less than $20,000,
however the child while working in the summer made
approximately $12,000 which they spent on themselves

Can the parent still claim the child for EIC and not take
the child as a dependent. And can the child claim themselves
as a dependent since they provided more than half their own
support.

Thanks
Carol

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