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Old 09-14-2003, 10:51 PM
S. L. Richardson
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> > US Tax Court Hackl v IRS, affirmed by 7th US Court of
> > Appeals ruled gifts of LLC units were not gifts of a present
> > interest(2503) and therefore disallowed for annual
> > exclusion. Basis for not of present interest:
> > > 1. Donee could only sell units back to LLC and only at

> > the manager's discretion.
> > 2. Members would receive income only in the event of a
> > distribution, based on the manager's discretion.
> > > Would appreciate comments and analysis.


Easy to fix Hackl issues. One, don't place such
restrictions in the Regulations/Operating Agreement. Rather
than the manager (or general partner in a limited
partnership) having unfettered discretion to effectively
veto attempted transfers give the other Members/Partners pro
rata a right of first refusal at the same terms. Two, just
make cash distributions at the Manager(s)/General Partner(s)
discretion using ordinary and reasonable business
prudence/business acumen.

Moral: Don't trick up your agreement with so many
restrictions that the ownership interest is effectively not
a "present" interest because so many strings are attached.
You can get the same effective control with different means
without risking your present interest.

Jason Richardson
Attorney, CPA
Sherman, Texas

I am not your lawyer, nor your accountant, this is not legal
advice, nor is it accounting advice, etc....

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Old 09-07-2003, 04:47 AM
Dave Woods, EA
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"Raymond" <raymond912002[at]yahoo.com> wrote:

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> US Tax Court Hackl v IRS, affirmed by 7th US Court of
> Appeals ruled gifts of LLC units were not gifts of a present
> interest(2503) and therefore disallowed for annual
> exclusion. Basis for not of present interest:
> 1. Donee could only sell units back to LLC and only at
> the manager's discretion.
> 2. Members would receive income only in the event of a
> distribution, based on the manager's discretion.
> Would appreciate comments and analysis.


This case was decided by the Tax Court a year ago. I doubt
the underlying factors in the properly reached decision have
changed. No I have not read the appellate decision, but I
doubt anything new was touched on.

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David M. Woods, EA
Boston, MA 02109

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Old 09-05-2003, 01:39 AM
Raymond
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US Tax Court Hackl v IRS, affirmed by 7th US Court of
Appeals ruled gifts of LLC units were not gifts of a present
interest(2503) and therefore disallowed for annual
exclusion. Basis for not of present interest:

1. Donee could only sell units back to LLC and only at
the manager's discretion.
2. Members would receive income only in the event of a
distribution, based on the manager's discretion.

Would appreciate comments and analysis.

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