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| Bill <wcharriscpa[at]nospamhotmail.com> wrote: - quote - > Can I deduct the cost of the membership?
Per IRC 274, deductions for dues paid to "any club organizedfor business, pleasure, recreation, or other social purpose" are specifically disallowed. MTW << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| "Bill" <wcharriscpa[at]nospamhotmail.com> wrote: - quote - > As a soccer referee, I will be filing a Schedule C this year
Yes on everything except the food expenses.> for the first time (just got my referee license). > I'm planning on deducting as business expenses my uniforms, > associated supplies, dues to the referee organizations, > travel, and some food expenses on game days. - quote - > I preference my question by saying that one of the stated
Health club fees are extremely difficult to justify as a> requirements for keeping my license is that I maintain "top > physical condition." To accomplish this, I would like to > join a local YMCA to work on my fitness. > Can I deduct the cost of the membership? > I am not currently a member of any gym, and it seems plain > to me that it would be a cost incurred that relates directly > to by business as referee. I've read that business expenses > must be "ordinary" and "necessary." While it seems > overwhelmingly *ordinary* that one would join a gym to keep > in shape, I'm not sure how to interpret the *necessary* > part. Is it necessary to join a gym to keep in shape? > Probably not -- but when I think of it in those terms it > seems awfully inequitable. That is, who's to say what's > necessary? > .... deduction. It might be possible to defend a deduction for a piece of home gym equipment, but find a tax court cite in support of it before I'd try it. Dick << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| "Bill" <wcharriscpa[at]nospamhotmail.com> wrote: - quote - > As a soccer referee, I will be filing a Schedule C this year
Good question! The answer is - it depends. I have several> for the first time (just got my referee license). > I'm planning on deducting as business expenses my uniforms, > associated supplies, dues to the referee organizations, > travel, and some food expenses on game days. > I preference my question by saying that one of the stated > requirements for keeping my license is that I maintain "top > physical condition." To accomplish this, I would like to > join a local YMCA to work on my fitness. > Can I deduct the cost of the membership? > I am not currently a member of any gym, and it seems plain > to me that it would be a cost incurred that relates directly > to by business as referee. I've read that business expenses > must be "ordinary" and "necessary." While it seems > overwhelmingly *ordinary* that one would join a gym to keep > in shape, I'm not sure how to interpret the *necessary* > part. Is it necessary to join a gym to keep in shape? > Probably not -- but when I think of it in those terms it > seems awfully inequitable. That is, who's to say what's > necessary? > Obviously, the "top physical condition" part is certainly > necessary, as it is required by my licensing organization. > But it seems strange to think of the government looking over > my shoulder telling me how I must go about keeping in shape. > I'm probably not thinking about this whole question > correctly, and would appreciate a little clarification from > somebody knowledgable in tax matters. professional athletes as clients and the IRS auditors never even questioned gym fees. However, these guys are full time professional athletes and have no other source of income. If you are referring part time, you may have a problem with this. However, if this is how you will be making your living, and depending on the other facts and circumstances, I would have little problem taking the deduction. Gene E. Utterback, EA << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| "Bill" <wcharriscpa[at]nospamhotmail.com> wrote: - quote - > As a soccer referee, I will be filing a Schedule C this year
There are many occupations which have "top physical> for the first time (just got my referee license). > I'm planning on deducting as business expenses my uniforms, > associated supplies, dues to the referee organizations, > travel, and some food expenses on game days. > I preference my question by saying that one of the stated > requirements for keeping my license is that I maintain "top > physical condition." To accomplish this, I would like to > join a local YMCA to work on my fitness. > Can I deduct the cost of the membership? > I am not currently a member of any gym, and it seems plain > to me that it would be a cost incurred that relates directly > to by business as referee. I've read that business expenses > must be "ordinary" and "necessary." While it seems > overwhelmingly *ordinary* that one would join a gym to keep > in shape, I'm not sure how to interpret the *necessary* > part. Is it necessary to join a gym to keep in shape? > Probably not -- but when I think of it in those terms it > seems awfully inequitable. That is, who's to say what's > necessary? > Obviously, the "top physical condition" part is certainly > necessary, as it is required by my licensing organization. > But it seems strange to think of the government looking over > my shoulder telling me how I must go about keeping in shape. > I'm probably not thinking about this whole question > correctly, and would appreciate a little clarification from > somebody knowledgable in tax matters. condition" requirements as well. Three which come to mind are police officers, fire fighters and exotic dancers. None of these professionals are permitted to deduct gym expense nor exercise equipment, etc. I'm not sure about your "food on game day" without further elaboration. Don't forget to take a deduction for the maintenance of your uniforms such as home laundering and any books, manuals and subscriptions which you may purchase. -- Sincerely, Joanne If it's right for you, then it's right, . . . . . for you!!! << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| Bill, I too am a Soccer Ref. - High School - Middle School and a CPA. - quote - > ...I will be filing a Schedule C ...
Correct.- quote - > I'm planning on deducting as business expenses my uniforms,
Mostly correct. I would have problems with the food on game> associated supplies, dues to the referee organizations, > travel, and some food expenses on game days. days. Unless, your incurring overnight travel that is. My games are all local - within an hour drive - and never more that 3 games a day. Since games last about 1.5 hours the deduction for food would on the surface seem to be personal and not business related. Can you deduct your lunches you eat for your normal job? NOT. - quote - > I preference my question by saying that one of the stated
Michigan has the same requirement.> requirements for keeping my license is that I maintain "top > physical condition." To accomplish this, I would like to > join a local YMCA to work on my fitness." - quote - > Can I deduct the cost of the membership?
I'd say no. The relationship between the two is a bit hazyIMHO and thus the deduction a bit too aggressive for my personal tastes. - quote - > Obviously, the "top physical condition" part is certainly
Is it really? I'm 45 - 5'11" and about 220-230 lbs - and> necessary, as it is required by my licensing organization. > But it seems strange to think of the government looking > over my shoulder telling me how I must go about keeping in > shape." have had surgery on my knee. Nowhere near the physical shape I was in in high school and college (I swam butterfly competatively in both) While the licensing organization my utilize the "top physical condition" phrase - you are not a professional athlete. Adequate physical shape is more the reality. When officiating in a 3 man system the center ref needs to be within about 20 yards of the play. You also have 2 AR's (linesmen) assisting you in the calling of fouls. In reality you only need to cover about 1/3 of the field physically not the whole field (the whole field visually). Basically, were I your CPA I'd not buy a deduction for a GYM membership. Probably, because I am a ref (5+ years) and know the conditioning required. I don't believe it meets the ordinary and necessary requirement. -- Regards, Mark X Rigotti << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| "Bill" <wcharriscpa[at]nospamhotmail.com> wrote - quote - > As a soccer referee, I will be filing a Schedule C this year
Well, you can always deduct anything. How well does it hold> for the first time (just got my referee license). > I'm planning on deducting as business expenses my uniforms, > associated supplies, dues to the referee organizations, > travel, and some food expenses on game days. > I preference my question by saying that one of the stated > requirements for keeping my license is that I maintain "top > physical condition." To accomplish this, I would like to > join a local YMCA to work on my fitness. > Can I deduct the cost of the membership? > I am not currently a member of any gym, and it seems plain > to me that it would be a cost incurred that relates directly > to by business as referee. I've read that business expenses > must be "ordinary" and "necessary." While it seems > overwhelmingly *ordinary* that one would join a gym to keep > in shape, I'm not sure how to interpret the *necessary* > part. Is it necessary to join a gym to keep in shape? > Probably not -- but when I think of it in those terms it > seems awfully inequitable. That is, who's to say what's > necessary? > Obviously, the "top physical condition" part is certainly > necessary, as it is required by my licensing organization. > But it seems strange to think of the government looking over > my shoulder telling me how I must go about keeping in shape. > I'm probably not thinking about this whole question > correctly, and would appreciate a little clarification from > somebody knowledgable in tax matters. up in an audit is what you should be asking. Soccer is a seasonal sport, the membership at the "Y" is for (I assume) a full year. It clearly isn't necessary to join a gym to keep in shape to be a soccer referee. Those soccer referee clients I have stay pretty busy during the season with games almost every weekday during the season. Most away from town, and their ability to even ~go~ to the gym is limited. In addition, I just don't think they ~need~ to go to the gym during the season to keep in shape (know what I mean). And then, one isn't in the "business" of being a soccer referee to make a killing. The fees received are but a stipend to help defray the travel costs. Oh, for sure they can add up, but you'll rarely see a person make a profession out of it. Given the inherent personal nature of physical fitness, the yearly membership, and the limited soccer season, and the cost factor, I doubt the "Y" membership would be allowed as an ordinary and necessary or even reasonable expense. -- Paul A. Thomas, CPA, PC Athens, Georgia taxman[at]negia.net << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| As a soccer referee, I will be filing a Schedule C this year for the first time (just got my referee license). I'm planning on deducting as business expenses my uniforms, associated supplies, dues to the referee organizations, travel, and some food expenses on game days. I preference my question by saying that one of the stated requirements for keeping my license is that I maintain "top physical condition." To accomplish this, I would like to join a local YMCA to work on my fitness. Can I deduct the cost of the membership? I am not currently a member of any gym, and it seems plain to me that it would be a cost incurred that relates directly to by business as referee. I've read that business expenses must be "ordinary" and "necessary." While it seems overwhelmingly *ordinary* that one would join a gym to keep in shape, I'm not sure how to interpret the *necessary* part. Is it necessary to join a gym to keep in shape? Probably not -- but when I think of it in those terms it seems awfully inequitable. That is, who's to say what's necessary? Obviously, the "top physical condition" part is certainly necessary, as it is required by my licensing organization. But it seems strange to think of the government looking over my shoulder telling me how I must go about keeping in shape. I'm probably not thinking about this whole question correctly, and would appreciate a little clarification from somebody knowledgable in tax matters. Many thanks. -bill in texas << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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