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| Frederick Jorden wrote: - quote - > D. Stussy wrote:
No, it wasn't. In the article and court case, the taxpayers> > Ed Zollars, CPA wrote: > > > D. Stussy wrote: > > > > Then perhaps you DON'T have a principal residence at all! :-) > > > By the way, Burgess and Bill Raby had an article in Tax > > > Notes a couple of months back where they noted it *was* > > > perfectly possible for someone with multiple residences to > > > have *no* principal residence for Section 121 purposes. > > I read that article - as it was also printed in the "Tax > > Practice" weekly magazine. I also thought it was > > interesting that in one case, the Court added up the YEARS > > and not simply took 720 days in the past 5 years.... > > > In the case in question, though, I think there's a strong > > > case for the "facts and circumstances" argument that the > > > house with the wife and kids is the principal residence, > > > even though the Georgia residence "wins" the mechanical > > > number of days test (which is the most important, but not > > > necessarily 100% determinative, factor under the final > > > regulations for Section 121). > > I would say that it is HER principal residence, because she > > lives with the children and they are in school. However, as > > you note below, that wasn't the question. > The issue is not legal home or residence but Tax Home. Some > folks can be itinerants and have no tax home. were trying to take the exclusion for a sale of residence. Tax home has nothing to do with that aspect. In the original question of this thread, there was no doubt as to his tax home. He was asking as to whether he had a principal residence, and if so, which. - quote - > Way back I had an audit of a construction superintendent who
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| D. Stussy wrote: - quote - > Ed Zollars, CPA wrote:
The issue is not legal home or residence but Tax Home. Some> > D. Stussy wrote: > > > Then perhaps you DON'T have a principal residence at all! :-) > > By the way, Burgess and Bill Raby had an article in Tax > > Notes a couple of months back where they noted it *was* > > perfectly possible for someone with multiple residences to > > have *no* principal residence for Section 121 purposes. > I read that article - as it was also printed in the "Tax > Practice" weekly magazine. I also thought it was > interesting that in one case, the Court added up the YEARS > and not simply took 720 days in the past 5 years.... > > In the case in question, though, I think there's a strong > > case for the "facts and circumstances" argument that the > > house with the wife and kids is the principal residence, > > even though the Georgia residence "wins" the mechanical > > number of days test (which is the most important, but not > > necessarily 100% determinative, factor under the final > > regulations for Section 121). > I would say that it is HER principal residence, because she > lives with the children and they are in school. However, as > you note below, that wasn't the question. folks can be itinerants and have no tax home. Way back I had an audit of a construction superintendent who worked in eight states, none of which was his resident state. The audit involved his travel expenses. I held my breath for the entire audit. The issue was not brought up. -- Frederick E. Jorden http://Tax-Accounting-Payroll.com 7825 Midlothian Tpk - 207 Richmond, VA 23235-5247 EMAIL knowtax[at]bigfoot.com (804) 320-6210 FAX (804) 320-6211 << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| Ed Zollars, CPA wrote: - quote - > D. Stussy wrote:
I read that article - as it was also printed in the "Tax> > Then perhaps you DON'T have a principal residence at all! :-) > By the way, Burgess and Bill Raby had an article in Tax > Notes a couple of months back where they noted it *was* > perfectly possible for someone with multiple residences to > have *no* principal residence for Section 121 purposes. Practice" weekly magazine. I also thought it was interesting that in one case, the Court added up the YEARS and not simply took 720 days in the past 5 years.... - quote - > In the case in question, though, I think there's a strong
I would say that it is HER principal residence, because she> case for the "facts and circumstances" argument that the > house with the wife and kids is the principal residence, > even though the Georgia residence "wins" the mechanical > number of days test (which is the most important, but not > necessarily 100% determinative, factor under the final > regulations for Section 121). lives with the children and they are in school. However, as you note below, that wasn't the question. << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| John Smith wrote: - quote - > BMS wrote:
Then perhaps you DON'T have a principal residence at all! :-)> > "John Smith" <jsmith[at]application.com> wrote: > > > I live in a house in Gerogia. My wife and kids live in a > > > house in Tennessee. I drive to Tennessee to see them on > > > Friday night and go to Georgia on Sunday night. We file > > > joint return and own both houses. Which house is our > > > principle residence? > > Where do you vote? > Never vote. << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| "John Smith" <jsmith[at]application.com> wrote: - quote - > I live in a house in Gerogia. My wife and kids live in a
Do you file GA state income tax as a resident or> house in Tennessee. I drive to Tennessee to see them on > Friday night and go to Georgia on Sunday night. We file > joint return and own both houses. Which house is our > principle residence? non resident. Glen Hughes, CPA www.glenhughescpa.com glen[at]glenhughescpa.com << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| BMS wrote: - quote - > "John Smith" <jsmith[at]application.com> wrote:
Never vote.> > I live in a house in Gerogia. My wife and kids live in a > > house in Tennessee. I drive to Tennessee to see them on > > Friday night and go to Georgia on Sunday night. We file > > joint return and own both houses. Which house is our > > principle residence? > Where do you vote? << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| John Smith <jsmith[at]application.com> wrote: - quote - > I live in a house in Gerogia. My wife and kids live in a
You have not provided enough information to answer your> house in Tennessee. I drive to Tennessee to see them on > Friday night and go to Georgia on Sunday night. We file > joint return and own both houses. Which house is our > principle residence? question as it pertains to you and your spouse (however, see last comment below). A recent district court decision in Arizona sheds some light on this question. Whenever a taxpayer alternates between properties using them both as a residence, the property that is used the majority of time is usually the taxpayer's principal residence. However, in the court decision the judge reiterated that while IRS regs state that time is ordinarily the controlling factor, one has to look at all the facts and circumstances. This would include elements such as, address used on mail and tax returns, who issued driver's license, where vehicles are registered, where taxpayer banks, where taxpayer belongs to a religious organization, attends services, recreates, etc. In addition, the judge said that the determination of which property is the principal residence is determined on a year by year basis, not on an aggregate basis over a period of time extending beyond one year. Therefore, it is technically possible, that 1. You don't have a principal residense (PR), or 2. Georgia is your PR in one year and Tennessee is your PR in another year or 3. One or the other property is your PR. Lastly, your spouse appears to have as her PR the home in TN as you made no mention of her living in any other property as a principal residence. The court decision was JM Guinan vs US, (D.C., AZ 2003). Alan http://taxtopics.net << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| John Smith <jsmith[at]application.com> wrote: - quote - > I live in a house in Gerogia. My wife and kids live in a
I believe it turns on "all the facts and circumstances". The> house in Tennessee. I drive to Tennessee to see them on > Friday night and go to Georgia on Sunday night. We file > joint return and own both houses. Which house is our > principle residence? factors to consider were clarified late last year, IIRC. They are, roughly: where you work; where your family lives; what address you use for official purposes such as tax returns, driver licenses, voter and auto registration; what address you use as your mailing address; where you bank; and where your religious and social affiliations are. In short, it's the location to which you're mainly connected when all the ties that normally bind you to a place are considered. -- Chris Green << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| "John Smith" <jsmith[at]application.com> wrote: - quote - > I live in a house in Gerogia. My wife and kids live in a
Where do you vote?> house in Tennessee. I drive to Tennessee to see them on > Friday night and go to Georgia on Sunday night. We file > joint return and own both houses. Which house is our > principle residence? << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| John Smith wrote: - quote - > I live in a house in Gerogia. My wife and kids live in a
Where are you registered to vote?> house in Tennessee. I drive to Tennessee to see them on > Friday night and go to Georgia on Sunday night. We file > joint return and own both houses. Which house is our > principle residence? Which state do you have a driver's license from? All other indications imply Tennessee. However, your "tax home" is Georgia. << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| John Smith wrote: - quote - > I live in a house in Gerogia. My wife and kids live in a
If the houses are jointly owned, seems to me the TN house is> house in Tennessee. I drive to Tennessee to see them on > Friday night and go to Georgia on Sunday night. We file > joint return and own both houses. Which house is our > principle residence? principal, given that wife and (what, 2 kids?) live in it 7 out of 7 days, plus you on two days. That's 21 plus 2 person days, versus your five person days in Georgia. However a different result might obtain if you alone own the Georgia house and she (or y'all) own the TN house. Good question. cheer$, Harlan Lunsford, EA in LA << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| "John Smith" <jsmith[at]application.com> wrote - quote - > I live in a house in Gerogia. My wife and kids live in a
There's not enough information provided to make that> house in Tennessee. I drive to Tennessee to see them on > Friday night and go to Georgia on Sunday night. We file > joint return and own both houses. Which house is our > principle residence? determination. Where are you registered to vote? Where are your vehicles tagged? Where do you attend church? Where do you bank? Where do you generally get your mail? And remember, it's highly likely that you have a principle residence in Georgia and your wife her principle residence in Tennessee. -- Paul A. Thomas, CPA, PC Athens, Georgia taxman[at]negia.net << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| John Smith <jsmith[at]application.com> writes: - quote - > I live in a house in Gerogia. My wife and kids live in a
It sounds to me like Tennessee is your principal residence,> house in Tennessee. I drive to Tennessee to see them on > Friday night and go to Georgia on Sunday night. We file > joint return and own both houses. Which house is our > principle residence? but Georgia is your (not your wife's) tax home. Phil Marti Topeka, KS << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| "John Smith" <jsmith[at]application.com> wrote: - quote - > I live in a house in Gerogia. My wife and kids live in a
This almost sounds like a homework question. The answer is> house in Tennessee. I drive to Tennessee to see them on > Friday night and go to Georgia on Sunday night. We file > joint return and own both houses. Which house is our > principle residence? it depends, and is a judgement call based on a lot more facts you haven't provided. -- David M. Woods, EA Boston, MA 02109 Postings here are general information only and not to be relied upon as advice. << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| "John Smith" <jsmith[at]application.com> wrote: - quote - > I live in a house in Gerogia. My wife and kids live in a
The answer, of course, is "it depends". The answer would> house in Tennessee. I drive to Tennessee to see them on > Friday night and go to Georgia on Sunday night. We file > joint return and own both houses. Which house is our > principle residence? be the same if you had two TN residences. So using multiple States only convults the question. Unless you are planning to sell both houses and you have more than a $250,000 gain in one of the houses, it does not make any difference. Much more information is needed for reliable answer. But if you have a high tolerance for off-the-cuff guesses, I'll go with TN for your wife and GA for you. << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| I live in a house in Gerogia. My wife and kids live in a house in Tennessee. I drive to Tennessee to see them on Friday night and go to Georgia on Sunday night. We file joint return and own both houses. Which house is our principle residence? << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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