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Old 08-06-2003, 12:09 PM
Harlan Lunsford
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Arthur L. Rubin wrote:
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> Harlan Lunsford wrote:

> > But be aware, that sometimes the father, if he's paying
> > child support, may get to one of those store front preparers
> > first, and try to, no, actually claim the child on HIS tax
> > return before y'all even think about filing. In which case,
> > it'll take a little more work on your part to cinch the
> > exemption.


> That's not entirely fair. As "child support" DOES count
> as "support", a non-custodial parent may have a colorable
> claim toward meeting the support test. It seems unlikely
> in the OPs case.
> I have a client who is paying child support, and we
> seem to be in agreement that the children's grandparents,
> with whom the children are living, cannot claim the
> exemptions without a multiple support agreement.


I have to admit what I had in mind when writing the above was the
good for nothing churl who in the heat of the moment donated his
sperm to the future mother who didn't know what she was getting
(into to). This type of "father" doesnt' pay child support,
though.

C$,
HL, EA in LA

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Old 08-01-2003, 10:35 PM
Harlan Lunsford
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louann wrote:

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> My husband and I are about to become grandparents for the
> first time. Our daughter is only 16 and her and the baby
> will live here for at least another year until she
> graduates. Our health insurance is covering the pregnancy
> but I need to know since they will be living here can we
> claim the baby on our taxes? The dad is only 17 so whatever
> is any child support we will get from him I am sure won't
> cover expenses.


You already have THE official answer from other respondents.

But be aware, that sometimes the father, if he's paying
child support, may get to one of those store front preparers
first, and try to, no, actually claim the child on HIS tax
return before y'all even think about filing. In which case,
it'll take a little more work on your part to cinch the
exemption.

A word to the wise then. Make sure your daughter, or
anybody, does NOT give the father the social security number
of the child. And be alert to his even asking for it, cause
that will be a clue as to his intentions.

Believe me, I've seen this happen.

Cheer$,
Harlan Lunsford, EA in LA

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Old 08-01-2003, 10:16 PM
John H. Fisher
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louspad[at]nycap.rr.com (louann) writes:

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> My husband and I are about to become grandparents for the
> first time. Our daughter is only 16 and her and the baby
> will live here for at least another year until she
> graduates. Our health insurance is covering the pregnancy
> but I need to know since they will be living here can we
> claim the baby on our taxes? The dad is only 17 so whatever
> is any child support we will get from him I am sure won't
> cover expenses.


Yes!!! It's likely, as long as the child lives with you
and you provide more than 1/2 the child's support.

"Jack" - John H. Fisher - TaxService[at]aol.com
Philadelphia, Pa - Atlantic City, NJ - West Wildwood, NJ
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Old 08-01-2003, 10:16 PM
D.F. Manno
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louspad[at]nycap.rr.com (louann) wrote:

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> My husband and I are about to become grandparents for the
> first time. Our daughter is only 16 and her and the baby
> will live here for at least another year until she
> graduates. Our health insurance is covering the pregnancy
> but I need to know since they will be living here can we
> claim the baby on our taxes? The dad is only 17 so whatever
> is any child support we will get from him I am sure won't
> cover expenses.


There are five tests that have to be met to claim the child
as a dependent:

1) Member of Household or Relationship Test (As the baby is
your grandchild, this test would be satisfied.)

2) Citizen or Resident Test (Is the grandchild a U.S.
citizen? Is s/he living in the U.S., Canada or Mexico? If
the answer to either question is yes, the test is met.)

3) Joint Return Test (I assume the baby will not be filing a
joint federal income tax return any time soon.)

4) Gross Income Test (I also assume that the baby will not
have gross income exceeding $3,000 per year.)

5) Support Test (This is the important one in your case.
Generally, you must provide more than half of a personšs
total support during the calendar year to meet this test. If
you receive no contribution from either parent for the
baby's support--including child support payments from the
father--then this test is met and you can claim the
dependent exemption. If you do receive any money for the
baby from either of them, you would have to be able to show
that you provided more support for the child than the
parents.)

HTH

--
D.F. Manno
dommanno[at]netscape.net
"If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to
tell people what they do not want to hear." (George Orwell)

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Old 08-01-2003, 10:16 PM
Dave Woods, EA
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"Bill" <an_ordinary_guy_158[at]hotmail.com> wrote:
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> louann posted:

> > My husband and I are about to become
> > grandparents for the first time. Our daughter is
> > only 16 and her and the baby will live here for
> > at least another year until she graduates. Our
> > health insurance is covering the pregnancy
> > but I need to know since they will be living
> > here can we claim the baby on our taxes? The
> > dad is only 17 so whatever is any child
> > support we will get from him I am sure won't
> > cover expenses.


> Yes, you can claim the grandchild as a dependent.
> There are five tests for dependency: member of household or
> relationship test; citizen or resident test; joint return
> test; gross income test; and support test.
> You appear to qualify on all five. For full details, obtain
> a copy of Pub 17 and check Chapter 3.


You don't know that meets the support test. Providing a
roof over the kids head is substantial, but you don't know
what the father is providing for child support.

--
David M. Woods, EA
Boston, MA 02109

Postings here are general information only and not to be
relied upon as advice.

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Old 08-01-2003, 10:16 PM
Arthur Kamlet
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louann <louspad[at]nycap.rr.com> wrote:

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> My husband and I are about to become grandparents for the
> first time. Our daughter is only 16 and her and the baby
> will live here for at least another year until she
> graduates. Our health insurance is covering the pregnancy
> but I need to know since they will be living here can we
> claim the baby on our taxes? The dad is only 17 so whatever
> is any child support we will get from him I am sure won't
> cover expenses.


If you provide more than half the grandchild's suport it
sure sounds like you can claim her as a dependent and
perhaps claim child tax credit as well. You might possibly
claim earned income credit too.

IRS Publication 501 covers five tests which must be passed
for you to claim someone as your dependent, and it sounds as
if they are all passed if you provide most of the baby's
support.

If you claim the baby no one else can, of course.

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Art Kamlet ArtKamlet [at] AOL.com Columbus OH K2PZH

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Old 07-31-2003, 10:10 PM
Herb Smith
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louspad[at]nycap.rr.com (louann) wrote:

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> My husband and I are about to become grandparents for the
> first time. Our daughter is only 16 and her and the baby
> will live here for at least another year until she
> graduates. Our health insurance is covering the pregnancy
> but I need to know since they will be living here can we
> claim the baby on our taxes? The dad is only 17 so whatever
> is any child support we will get from him I am sure won't
> cover expenses.


The baby? No question that you will qualify to claim the
little guy/gal. If the daughter is your dependent, you
obviously will support the child also.

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Old 07-31-2003, 10:09 PM
Christopher Green
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louspad[at]nycap.rr.com (louann) wrote:

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> My husband and I are about to become grandparents for the
> first time. Our daughter is only 16 and her and the baby
> will live here for at least another year until she
> graduates....


So long as you provided more than half the support for each,
and there aren't any unusual issues, they're both your
dependents, and you get the exemptions. You also get the
child tax credit: for your daughter if she doesn't turn 17
this year, and for the baby.

If there are citizenship or residency issues, or your
daughter or somebody else is paying some of their support,
or the baby has income, work through the criteria in
Publication 501 and the child tax credit instructions
carefully.

--
Chris Green

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Old 07-31-2003, 09:50 PM
Bill
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louann posted:

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> My husband and I are about to become
> grandparents for the first time. Our daughter is
> only 16 and her and the baby will live here for
> at least another year until she graduates. Our
> health insurance is covering the pregnancy
> but I need to know since they will be living
> here can we claim the baby on our taxes? The
> dad is only 17 so whatever is any child
> support we will get from him I am sure won't
> cover expenses.


Yes, you can claim the grandchild as a dependent.

There are five tests for dependency: member of household or
relationship test; citizen or resident test; joint return
test; gross income test; and support test.

You appear to qualify on all five. For full details, obtain
a copy of Pub 17 and check Chapter 3.

Bill

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Old 07-31-2003, 04:25 AM
louann
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My husband and I are about to become grandparents for the
first time. Our daughter is only 16 and her and the baby
will live here for at least another year until she
graduates. Our health insurance is covering the pregnancy
but I need to know since they will be living here can we
claim the baby on our taxes? The dad is only 17 so whatever
is any child support we will get from him I am sure won't
cover expenses.

Thanks for any help you can give me..

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