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Old 07-16-2003, 10:24 AM
Patrick
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Default Re: Estimated Tax Filing Not Required but...

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> > Can he still use the Payment Voucher 2 to send the money
> > in even though the June 16, 2003 deadline has passed?


> Yes. IRS will credit the payment to his account on whatever
> day they receive it.


> > Will IRS automatically assess a penalty for late voucher
> > filing?


> No. IRS does not consider assessing an estimated tax
> penalty until the tax return is filed.
> If he only expects to owe about $400, technically he is not
> even required to make an estimated tax payment. If he
> desires, he can wait and pay the expected balance due with
> his tax return. However, if he does decide to press on and
> make the estimated tax payments, he will not need to concern
> himself with any penalties.


Thanks to all that replied.

Your comment, Barney, that there is no penalty assessed
until the tax return is filed answered my question.

Now that we know that no penalties are assessed for missing
the voucher deadline, we are going to send $200.00. Although
my friend is fully aware that no taxes are required since
the projected amount due is below the $1000-due limit, he
wants to send some money in since if the money is "sitting
around" he will probably spend it and not have any money
left when the taxes are due!

Thanks again.

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Old 07-14-2003, 08:40 AM
Harlan Lunsford
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Default Re: Estimated Tax Filing Not Required but...

Patrick wrote:

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> A friend of mine (who worked for wages and briefly as
> self-employed) received his 1040ES 2003 Estimated Tax form.
> He send in his first voucher payment in March 2003.
> Since then he has been laid off/totally unemployed and is
> receiving unemployement. Thus his estimated earnings
> --including unemployment--have dropped considerably.
> Taking into account the reduced earnings and the amount he
> sent in March, he, as of today, owes only about $400.00 in
> taxes for 2003. (This is the full amount he ows, not the 90%
> computation.) In other words, he now owes far less than
> $1000.
> Even though he is not required to send anything in, he wants
> to send in about $200.00 now and another $200 in September
> so that he will not have to pay the full $400.00 when he
> files his tax return in 2004.
> He was going to send in a check for $200.00 today but
> noticed that the 1040ES 2003 Estimated Tax voucher deadline
> states "due June 16, 2003."
> Can he still use the Payment Voucher 2 to send the money in
> even though the June 16, 2003 deadline has passed? Will IRS
> automatically assess a penalty for late voucher filing?
> If that is not the appropriate form to use (since no money
> is required to be sent in), what form should he use? How can
> he send the money to IRS now?


To cut to the case, your friend may now simply disregard
any other estimated payments and pay next year. UNLESS, of
course, he goes back to work and the situation changes.

Cheer$,
Harlan Lunsford, EA in LA

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Old 07-13-2003, 08:07 AM
Patrick
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Default Estimated Tax Filing Not Required but...

Greetings,

A friend of mine (who worked for wages and briefly as
self-employed) received his 1040ES 2003 Estimated Tax form.
He send in his first voucher payment in March 2003.

Since then he has been laid off/totally unemployed and is
receiving unemployement. Thus his estimated earnings
--including unemployment--have dropped considerably.

Taking into account the reduced earnings and the amount he
sent in March, he, as of today, owes only about $400.00 in
taxes for 2003. (This is the full amount he ows, not the 90%
computation.) In other words, he now owes far less than
$1000.

Even though he is not required to send anything in, he wants
to send in about $200.00 now and another $200 in September
so that he will not have to pay the full $400.00 when he
files his tax return in 2004.

He was going to send in a check for $200.00 today but
noticed that the 1040ES 2003 Estimated Tax voucher deadline
states "due June 16, 2003."

Can he still use the Payment Voucher 2 to send the money in
even though the June 16, 2003 deadline has passed? Will IRS
automatically assess a penalty for late voucher filing?

If that is not the appropriate form to use (since no money
is required to be sent in), what form should he use? How can
he send the money to IRS now?

Thanks!

Pat

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