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| Barney Bird <barney_bird[at]msn.com> wrote: - quote - > Because a presumably valid prenuptial agreement exists,
Wow! That's an interesting case, coming to the opposite> there is legal precedent supporting your position that the > joint overpayment should be allocated without regard to > community property considerations. In U.S. v. Nancy A. > Elam... result of what most of us espoused. After skimming the case, I note that they frequently used the term "valid" in reference to the prenuptial agreement, but they did not otherwise discuss the elements of "validity" that might apply. I bring this up because here in WA state it has always been my understanding that such agreements have no effect on THIRD PARTIES unless they are "recorded" with the county auditor. And, presumably, that recording would have to take place BEFORE the time at which the third party involvement occurred. In other words, you've got to GO PUBLIC with your agreement if you want it to impact third parties. At least this is my understanding. I have several clients with prenuptial agreements, but I'm not aware of any who have recorded them (I've asked). So, while these agreements are presumably "valid" as between the spouses, are they "valid" with respect to third parties (creditors, etc.) that haven't otherwise been put on notice? No one is a bigger fan of the 9th Circuit than I <g> . But, I would tread carefully before betting my life in reliance on the Elam case. MTW << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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| "kw" <kw2807[at]pacbell.net> wrote: - quote - > I filed an injured spouse return and recently received
Unless I overlooked it, you did not indicate in which state> notice that 50% of the refund is being returned to me > (the no-fault spouse). However, we do have a pre- > nuptial agreement which clearly spells out that I am > not responsible for sharing his students loans etc. - you and your husband are domiciled. However, since IRS allocated the refund 50/50, I assume you live in a community property state. In accordance with a number of counsel opinions addressing this subject, IRS generally determines injured spouse refund claims arising from community property states by allocating the joint overpayment half to each spouse. The half allocated to the liable spouse is offset to his debt and the remaining half is refunded to the injured spouse. Because a presumably valid prenuptial agreement exists, there is legal precedent supporting your position that the joint overpayment should be allocated without regard to community property considerations. In U.S. v. Nancy A. Elam, 97-1 USTC ¶50,399, the 9th U.S. Circuit of Appeals held as follows: Note: The Elams were domiciled in California [ begin quoted text ] ....we conclude that a valid prenuptial agreement is relevant to determine the proper apportionment to each spouse of the overpayment claimed on the couple's 1988 joint return. To the extent the Government can show the overpayment resulted from Dr. Elam's separate property because of the prenuptial agreement, Nancy Elam is not entitled to a refund on her 1989 separate return based on the overpayment credit. Accordingly, the Government should have the opportunity to show the proper apportionment of the 1988 overpayment credit by relying on the prenuptial agreement. Taxpayer should have the opportunity to show the prenuptial agreement is invalid. [ end quoted text ] In 1988, the Elam's filed a joint return showing an overpayment of approximately $176,000, all of which they elected to apply to the following year's return as an estimated tax payment, also known as a credit elect. The Elams had a valid prenuptial agreement which declared their intent to keep each spouse's property separate and not to hold property as a marital community. In 1989 they were divorced. On his separate 1989 return, Dr. Elam claimed the entire $176,000 credit elect from 1988 in accordance with the terms of their prenuptial agreement. In 1991, Nancy Elam filed a late return claiming half of the carried forward overpayment from 1988. IRS processed her return and issued her a refund. IRS later determed they had erroneously allowed Nancy Elam's refund claim and filed suit against her to recover it. The federal district court for the central district of California held for Nancy Elam. The gov't appealed to the 9th circuit where the district court was reversed. The 9th circuit's holding sustained government's position that they could rely on a valid prenuptial agreement as a basis for allocating the entire credit elect to Dr. Elam and could proceed to recover the erroneous refund paid to Nancy Elam. The information above is posted for general discussion purposes only and should not be construed as professional legal or tax advice. Barney Byrd barney_bird[at]msn.com To contact me directly, use the correct spelling of my last name in the e-mail address above. << -------------------------------------------------> << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting > << messages to this newsgroup are at www.asktax.org > << -------------------------------------------------> |
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