No, but the database is a database. Since MSISAM is, apparently, derived
from Jet, it seems likely that it supports some or all of the logical
locking that Jet does. Money could have used this. It didn't. Money could
also have used file level locking to just prevent the file from being opened
twice--Excel and Word have had this for a decade or so--but they didn't.

As to your question about MS Support, it's tough to say. It would seem that
they do not appreciate the issues with file robustness or can't get the
product group to care. But the only people who really know aren't going to
chime in here and tell us the real facts.

"Arthur" <no.body.lives.here[at]xoxy.net> wrote in message
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Yeh, the MS OS file system is not a data base system.

Do we assume MS support knows this and asks the
appropriate question when corrupt data is the problem?
It would be nice if MS added a warning sheet to their
box about never sharing open files.

arthur
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I opened the file from the notebook on WiFi with the file also open on the
desktop. Bad news.

"Arthur" <no.body.lives.here[at]xoxy.net> wrote in message
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Dick, I am really surprised at your statement below as you seem so
knowledgable. Open Mny, open an account, close everything without
saving and tell me the modify file date. Yep, the file was written.
Only way you might stand a chance is if you remotely accessed the
drive in read only mode and the file isn't opened on the other
machine. Perhaps this is what you did do but that isn't clear in your
statement.

arthur
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To what Steve wrote, I'd append: I'm entering my 12th year of data on (I'm
estimating here) the fifth computer, fifth or sixth different O/S, and 10th
different version of Money. My file has never had anything archived from it.
I have had occasional (maybe four or five episodes in that period of
time)corruption issues--some traceable to things I did (though opening a
file from a second machine shouldn't corrupt the file, it tends to). I am
manic about backups. I have never lost more than three or four days worth of
keyed in data recovering from one of these problems.

Clearly some people do not have such good luck. Whatever the sources of the
corruption problems people see, they definitely seem to effect some people
differentially. Whether this is dumb luck, environmental, a condition of the
way these users use it or what, I know not. But this does not seem like a
high probability event for all users. Having said that, if the error rate is
measurable, it's probably too high.

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The hardware configuration and operating system requirements are
printed on the box and I do not remember MS stating anywhere that the
target hardware / OS must be "new since yyyy".

I'm running M03 Deluxe and don't use a lot of the product's features.
Matter of fact I turned off as much stuff as possible. I don't own a
house, I have no loans, I can't be bothered with budgets, what's a
report? ... hell there are lots of differences between users and that
is wherein lies the problem. What is important to me is update of
bank, credit card, and investments via TCP/IP.

arthur
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and how it operates. Although I have had minor problems thru the years, I must
say it has worked for me thru 3 computers and 8 1/2 years. The only thought I
had was if your data is now screwed up or your original 2004 disk is screwed
up, that may be your problem. I wish you luck in resolving the problem. Steve.

"SJCOHEN730" <sjcohen730[at]aol.com> wrote in message
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No, it's not unique to me..Look through the posts here. I've used MoneyDX
since 2001. Yes, it is safe to assume I have a computer bought since 2002.
Hopefully, something with "2004" in the title would accomodate a computer
bought way after 2002.. Yes, it is also safe to assume i have extensive
knowledge in oline banking transactions-i'm not overdoing automatic
downloads. Bank of America only supporta manual tansaction
downloading(QIF/OFX). I enter data, and the bank downloads are to verify
that I have entered the data correctly with the right amounts.

What I disagree with you most is the suggestive nature of your email. I'm
not a dummy trying to click a few buttons to make this software work This
software SHOULD be for me..and the countless others that want it to do as is
advertised, and not slowing down the computer or frustrating us as we enter
lots of data and then seeing the unexpected error that you may or may not
have lost your precious time.

Sorry to sound snippy, but when I spend my $$ for MS Money and it doens't
work, as it doesn't for others, it's time to look for alternatives. Bottom
line is, M$ has been putting out Money for many years and I would hope that
they would have gotten it right and FIXED many moons ago. At this point, we
haven't seen a major upgrade since Money '99 and it looks like Money '05 is
a repackaged title we pay for with no major feature changes or bug fixes.
Heck, they even designed the patform it runs on ..WINDOWS!

Quicken doesn't have that advantage, but it seems to work better Go Figure!

Hi Sjcohen730

As much as I hate to agree with Glenn, I have to. For what ever the reason,
Money is not very stable and very subjective to corruption for many users.
I used Quicken for 10 years prior to switching to Money, and had never heard
the word corruption before moving to money. I am running a fairly new
system, and have changed every component (excepting for the motherboard) at
least once and basically to see if it effected Money, but my problems
continue.

I had converted the quicken file, started over without converting the old
quicken file and then started over again. I use MSN Bill Pay and update my
portfolio, but other than that I do not use if for downloading and
balancing, etc.

I can keep it running and although I haven't had any problems the last two
weeks, it is not unusual for me to have to use the Salvage Utilities at
least once a week.

I have in the past had many conversations with Microsoft, and I really
believe that they do not feel that they have corruption problems because
very few people are calling in complaints. I believe and advised them to
review this newsgroup and they might change their mind.

I love the way the software works, and really have a problem with Intuit's
way of doing business so I keep working with Money, but in my opinion it is
not a very stable program. Of course many users do not have problems with
it, so I feel the problems must be unique to the system experiencing the
problems, but Microsoft needs to resolve the problem.

I am not one of those that bashes Microsoft, but with this product, they
have a problem.

Bob
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Glenn, it is my guess that something unique to you and your computer is causing
the problem. I assume you have a computer bought new since 2002. I assume you
have a reasonable understanding of financial transactions. I assume you are not
overdoing the "automatic download" or upload of every piece of data. You are
actually entering most of the data manually. If my assumptions are all correct,
then I will agree that Money is not for you. Good luck anyway. Steve

I've reached my end with MS Money. It's so unfortunate that many great ideas
have been incorporated into the clunkiest piece of software. If it was
easier to install./reinstall, didn't crash, wasn't SOOOOOOOOO slow even with
all the bells and whistles turned off(why bother if you can't use the good
stuff?), it would be #1 in my book. Unfortunately, some never have problems
with it, others have many problems and a select group can't even get it to
run.

I spent 10 minutes trying to enter two transactions last night. That did it
for me. it was slow to open, slow to get things to pop up, so I've ditched
it AGAIN. Yes, I've left it before for similar reasons, but MSM04's
recurring issues have put that final nail in the coffin. Quicken is out, so
I'm going back to Money Matters Deluxe. A new version of MMDX comes out in
August, and I look forward to that as well. It's nice to enter transactions
without having to spend hours doing it.

Anyways, I appreciate all the help provided here and hope you all continue
your success in finding ways to make MSM04+ work for you.

Glenn