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| Yes. http://umpmfaq.info "Kevin" <nospam[at]nospam.com> wrote in message news:evY1etoHEHA.716[at]TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl... - quote - > Is your list of FAQ's posted somewhere? |
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| Thanks Dick: Is your list of FAQ's posted somewhere? Kevin "Dick Watson" <littlegreengecko[at]mind-enufalready-spring.com> wrote in message news:%23bzLG8mHEHA.3032[at]TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl... - quote - > Sound like it would work to me. Again, performance reporting will be > distorted. Happy weaving! > "Kevin" <nospam[at]nospam.com> wrote in message > news:OKsRb0mHEHA.2164[at]TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl... > > OK so let's regroup. > > > Selling the B shares at their original cost basis and buying A shares at > > THAT > > cost seems like it will be feasible. > > > The conversion of B shares to A shares carries along with it all shares > > purchased with reinvested dividends. > > > Since in my case, all purchases/dividend reinvestments > > were all well over 1 year ago makes them all long term. > > > So, using the original purchase date of the B shares > > as the purchase date of the A shares should also be feasible. > > > Does that about cover it? > > > What a tangled web we weave. |
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| Sound like it would work to me. Again, performance reporting will be distorted. Happy weaving! "Kevin" <nospam[at]nospam.com> wrote in message news:OKsRb0mHEHA.2164[at]TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl... - quote - > OK so let's regroup. > Selling the B shares at their original cost basis and buying A shares at > THAT > cost seems like it will be feasible. > The conversion of B shares to A shares carries along with it all shares > purchased with reinvested dividends. > Since in my case, all purchases/dividend reinvestments > were all well over 1 year ago makes them all long term. > So, using the original purchase date of the B shares > as the purchase date of the A shares should also be feasible. > Does that about cover it? > What a tangled web we weave. |
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| OK so let's regroup. Selling the B shares at their original cost basis and buying A shares at THAT cost seems like it will be feasible. The conversion of B shares to A shares carries along with it all shares purchased with reinvested dividends. Since in my case, all purchases/dividend reinvestments were all well over 1 year ago makes them all long term. So, using the original purchase date of the B shares as the purchase date of the A shares should also be feasible. Does that about cover it? What a tangled web we weave. Kevin "Cal Learner-- MVP" <via_newsgroup[at]please.tnx> wrote in message news p7d7097optufvtri44iuo98dbp655133g[at]4ax.com...- quote - > In microsoft.public.money, Dick Watson wrote: > > > If you previously held both funds, there is no solution without side > > effects. Kevin suggested what is probably the least bad solution: > > > - sell the retired fund for your exact cost basis > > - buy the correct number of shares in the surviving fund for the total > > amount of the old cost basis. Let Money figure the share price. > > > The side effect of this is that it will create a one-time unrealized capital > > gain to match the entire gain you were carrying for the retired fund on the > > date you set for the transaction. This will likely cause inaccurate > > performance reporting and may propagate to things like long-term/short term > > capital gains reporting. > The problem with that is that the acquire date would be wrong. You > could enter the date to match the original buy if there were not too > many such buys. And while you were entering those dates, you could > void the corresponding original purchase to eliminate the one-time > unrealized capital gain problem. |
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| In microsoft.public.money, Dick Watson wrote: - quote - > If you previously held both funds, there is no solution without side
The problem with that is that the acquire date would be wrong. You> effects. Kevin suggested what is probably the least bad solution: > - sell the retired fund for your exact cost basis > - buy the correct number of shares in the surviving fund for the total > amount of the old cost basis. Let Money figure the share price. > The side effect of this is that it will create a one-time unrealized capital > gain to match the entire gain you were carrying for the retired fund on the > date you set for the transaction. This will likely cause inaccurate > performance reporting and may propagate to things like long-term/short term > capital gains reporting. could enter the date to match the original buy if there were not too many such buys. And while you were entering those dates, you could void the corresponding original purchase to eliminate the one-time unrealized capital gain problem. |
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| Why didn't I think of that? That seems the most obvious way to do this. It will probably screw up performance reporting--because the share price recorded for this transaction will reflect no gains on the old investment and tomorrow's quote will suddenly accrue them all--but that's probably the least bad side effect. I think I'll go ahead and add a new FAQ for the mutual fund merger with two cases: the Cal Learner solution for the case where you didn't previously own both funds and the Kevin case for when you did. The FAQ that should make it into the online database Real Soon Now: -- Q): How do I handle a mutual fund merger? A): There are two methods that work. You can pick one depending on whether you previously held both of the funds involved in the merger or not. The technique suggested by Cal Learner for the case where you didn't hold both funds previously: - enter a split for the share ratio involved (you can use the NAVs at the exchange times 100) - go into the Investment Details and change the name and symbol - record the event in the investment comments. If you previously held both funds, there is no solution without side effects. Kevin suggested what is probably the least bad solution: - sell the retired fund for your exact cost basis - buy the correct number of shares in the surviving fund for the total amount of the old cost basis. Let Money figure the share price. The side effect of this is that it will create a one-time unrealized capital gain to match the entire gain you were carrying for the retired fund on the date you set for the transaction. This will likely cause inaccurate performance reporting and may propagate to things like long-term/short term capital gains reporting. "Kevin" <nospam[at]nospam.com> wrote in message news:OogE4pbHEHA.2432[at]TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl... - quote - > I think what I might try is calculating the cost basis for the B shares that > have converted, then sell them, then buy them back as A shares for the same > cost. Disregarding the recent $4.29 conversion cost. > I'll post back and let you know how it worked out. |
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| Dick Watson: I think what I might try is calculating the cost basis for the B shares that have converted, then sell them, then buy them back as A shares for the same cost. Disregarding the recent $4.29 conversion cost. I'll post back and let you know how it worked out. Thanks for you help. Kevin "Dick Watson" <littlegreengecko[at]mind-enufalready-spring.com> wrote in message news:eu3YWARHEHA.828[at]TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl... - quote - > I don't have a good answer for that case. Most everything I can think of has > some manner of side effect. Hopefully somebody will pop in with a decent > answer. I've had a FAQ answer in the wings for a long time waiting for a > good solution to this problem. > "Kevin" <nospam[at]nospam.com> wrote in message > news:uzB286PHEHA.1944[at]TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl... > > I see what you mean about the cost basis. > > > My problem is that I DID own both A and B shares and not all of the B > shares > > have converted to A's yet. So I still own both. > > > I'll need to ponder this one some more. |
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| I don't have a good answer for that case. Most everything I can think of has some manner of side effect. Hopefully somebody will pop in with a decent answer. I've had a FAQ answer in the wings for a long time waiting for a good solution to this problem. "Kevin" <nospam[at]nospam.com> wrote in message news:uzB286PHEHA.1944[at]TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl... - quote - > I see what you mean about the cost basis. > My problem is that I DID own both A and B shares and not all of the B shares > have converted to A's yet. So I still own both. > I'll need to ponder this one some more. |
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| Thanks Dick, I see what you mean about the cost basis. My problem is that I DID own both A and B shares and not all of the B shares have converted to A's yet. So I still own both. I'll need to ponder this one some more. Thanks again. Kevin "Dick Watson" <littlegreengecko[at]mind-enufalready-spring.com> wrote in message news:ejon2oJHEHA.3032[at]TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl... - quote - > I think the sell and buy to retain cost basis is the one thing you don't > want to do. It will set the cost basis for the "new" investment to the buy > price. > The general thinking on this kind of case seems to be that, assuming you > didn't hold both funds previously, the best thing is to do a split and then > rename/change the symbol in the investment details. The split would be 429 > shares for each 428. Put a note in the investment comments describing the > transaction so that you have the history. > "Kevin" <nospam[at]nospam.com> wrote in message > news:eJd51VJHEHA.2668[at]TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl... > > Money 2004 Deluxe, Win XP Pro. > > > I've held B shares of one of my mutual funds for 6 years and they have > been > > automatically exchanged for A shares. > > > Has a method ever been developed in Money for exchanging/converting B > shares > > of a mutual fund to A shares. > > > There is a 1 cent difference in NAV's (A shares $4.28 - B shares $4.29) so > I > > will receive slightly more A shares than I had of B shares. > > > I'm considering entering a sell of B shares and a subsequent buy of A > shares > > to retain an accurate cost basis. > > > Any other thoughts or ideas would be appreciated. |
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| I think the sell and buy to retain cost basis is the one thing you don't want to do. It will set the cost basis for the "new" investment to the buy price. The general thinking on this kind of case seems to be that, assuming you didn't hold both funds previously, the best thing is to do a split and then rename/change the symbol in the investment details. The split would be 429 shares for each 428. Put a note in the investment comments describing the transaction so that you have the history. "Kevin" <nospam[at]nospam.com> wrote in message news:eJd51VJHEHA.2668[at]TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl... - quote - > Money 2004 Deluxe, Win XP Pro. > I've held B shares of one of my mutual funds for 6 years and they have been > automatically exchanged for A shares. > Has a method ever been developed in Money for exchanging/converting B shares > of a mutual fund to A shares. > There is a 1 cent difference in NAV's (A shares $4.28 - B shares $4.29) so I > will receive slightly more A shares than I had of B shares. > I'm considering entering a sell of B shares and a subsequent buy of A shares > to retain an accurate cost basis. > Any other thoughts or ideas would be appreciated. |
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| Dear NG: Money 2004 Deluxe, Win XP Pro. I've held B shares of one of my mutual funds for 6 years and they have been automatically exchanged for A shares. Has a method ever been developed in Money for exchanging/converting B shares of a mutual fund to A shares. There is a 1 cent difference in NAV's (A shares $4.28 - B shares $4.29) so I will receive slightly more A shares than I had of B shares. I'm considering entering a sell of B shares and a subsequent buy of A shares to retain an accurate cost basis. Any other thoughts or ideas would be appreciated. Thanks, Kevin |
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