So far Money 2004 is behaving itself ... I'm even starting to like it
even though online update freezes the computer while it's running.
I'm still making parallel entries in Money 2000, but I'll probably
quit soon if 04 continues it's good behavior.

Thanks to everyone for the help converting the old data file!

George
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On Sat, 28 Feb 2004 06:21:59 -0700, "Dick Watson"
<littlegreengecko[at]mind-enufalready-spring.com> wrote:

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I ran Money 2000 using "msmoney -s" - it informed me that the file was
"corrupted or not a MNY file" and invited me press OK - whereupon it
proceeded to open the file anyway.


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I ran Money 2004's repair tool "salv.exe" on (a copy of) the original
file. It reported no errors found using level 2 (standard) but the
repaired file was 428KB larger than the original.

Money 2004 was able to open and convert the repaired file. The
converted file is 92KB smaller than the repaired file.


I have both versions of Money installed in parallel so I can go back
and check the old file if something looks funny. So far so good.

Thank you everyone!

George
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On Sat, 28 Feb 2004 06:21:59 -0700, "Dick Watson"
<littlegreengecko[at]mind-enufalready-spring.com> wrote:

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Dick,

Thank you for the suggestions! I will try them out ASAP and post back
the results.

I am going on a short trip Feb 29th through March 2nd so it may be a
couple of days before can I report back what happens. Please be
patient.

Thanks,
George
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See the FAQ at http://www.bollar.org/msmoney/#Q104. Also, here's an as-yet
unpublished entry that may be pertinent:
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Q): I thought Money files were supposed to be upward compatible. How come
Money[new] crashes when upgrading my Money[old] data file?
[Relevant to Money2003 (v.11) and up]

A): Most users find the file upgrade process painless. Beginning with M03, a
significant number of users don't. For these users, a range of outcomes from
Money just crashing to misleading error messages about the file being
read-only to missing data in the upgrade file result instead. The exact
reasons for this are unclear, but it would appear that the upgrade code has
become much less tolerant to "damaged" files. (Here a "damaged" file means a
file that has somehow become inconsistent with itself or not conforming to
the "normal" structure. Here "somehow" generally seems to be by Money
itself, though things like End Task when the CPU shows 100% use by Money and
the application is reported as not responding "just because" Money is slow
and non-responsive may also be factors.)

The workarounds identified include:

- Many users have found success by running the msmoney -s repair technique
on the original data file from the original version then upgrading the
repaired file. For people who have nothing left of the original version
besides a set of backup floppies, this is not an option.

- Using the salv.exe repair tool from the newer version or from Microsoft
Support on the data file before upgrading then upgrading the repaired file.
As above, this method does not work with .MBF files or with .MBF files
spread across multiple floppy disks.

(For more information of the repair tools and file corruption in general,
see "I think my file has been corrupted. How do I tell? What do I do then?")

- Some users have found/and or been advised by Microsoft Support that an
intermediate upgrade through, say, M02, first solved the problem. Of course,
finding a CD of M02 can be difficult.

- Some users have ended up resorting to QIF Export/Import to get the data
out of the old version and into the new version as a better choice than
losing all of their data completely. This is a last resort.

- Some files that could not upgrade in M03 can upgrade in M04.

Note that several of these methods do not apply if all you have is backup
floppies or files. This is one reason that we always recommend upgrading by
moving the entire original .MNY data file rather than going through the
backup/restore process.

Finally, note that it is probably a good idea to confirm your installation
of the new version of Money is good before going down any of these paths. To
do this, open the Sample data file located in the Program Files\Microsoft
Money directory or try to create a new file.

"George Neuner" <gneuner2[at]dont.spam.me> wrote in message
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On Fri, 27 Feb 2004 20:57:24 -0500, "Arge"
<bigbc37(nospam)[at]hotmail.com> wrote:

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What salvage tools are you referring to? Money 2000 had nothing
beyond restoring from backup (.MBF) and I can't get to anything other
than the "File" menu in 2004 - at least not without an open data file.

It had occurred to me that the data file was corrupt when 2004 failed
to convert it the first time. I first tried opening the backup file
directly and restoring the data as was suggested in another thread.
2004 didn't complain during restoration but afterward it again refused
to open the "restored" data file.

I then figured the backup might also be corrupt because I back up
every time I exit. So I also tried opening some of my offline backups
(MNY and MBF files). Whatever Money 2004 doesn't like has been there
at least 6 months.

I have looked all through the current file with Money 2000 and can't
see any data corruption. The file began life under Money 98 and was
converted to Money 2000 - it has almost 10 years of account histories.
I haven't gone back to the paper and audited all the data but some
spot checks of historical data in the accounts have been correct and
there is no error accessing the file.

Moreover, I have never had a crash with Money running and have never
before needed to restore or fix the data file. The only errors I have
ever have are an occasional complaint from online stock update not
being able to locate trading symbols for some of my closed positions -
the companies and symbols in question no longer exist and I have
repeatedly told Money not to continue updating them but it tries
occasionally anyway.

The whole concept of having to "salvage" the file bothers me when I
have never had a problem and can't see anything wrong. Even if
"salvaging" works and I am able to open the file, how will I know what
data wasn't recovered or if any good data was corrupted by the salvage
operation itself? It will take weeks to compare it to the old file.

George
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Hi George

There is something about your old money file (even though it works in Money
2000), that Money 04 doesn't like. Have you tried running the salvage tools
on your old money file before attempting to convert it.

If that doesn't work, then I am lost, but Dick or Cal might know something
about it.

Bob
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On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 11:44:41 -0500, "Arge"
<bigbc37(nospam)[at]hotmail.com> wrote:

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Hi Bob,

Launching the data file doesn't work - I run into the same problem as
soon as the program starts.

I'm not trying to import ... just to open the existing data file from
Money 2000. When I try, Money 2004 says it must "convert" the old
format before using the file. I say "ok" and the program makes a copy
of the original file with extension "MN8" and then an error pops up
claiming the original file can't be opened for conversion.

There is nothing wrong with the original file - Money 2000 will still
open it.

George
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George

Just find your old *.mny file and double click it.

Bob
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On Wed, 25 Feb 2004 19:43:23 GMT, via_newsgroup[at]please.tnx(Cal
Learner-- MVP) wrote:

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I don't have a FAT drive big enough. Anyway, the data file in
question began life on a FAT32 drive under Win98 and was copied to the
NTFS drive after I upgraded my home machine to XP Pro.

Cacls says I have full permission on the file ... which is precisely
what I expected it to say. I'm still learning the nuances of XP Pro
but I have used NT4 for years and I am quite familiar with permission
issues. This doesn't act like a permission problem - Money 2004 is
able to make the initial backup copy of the data file so it obviously
has read access.

Just for laughs I uninstalled 2004 (and whatever that "system pack" is
that came with it) and reinstalled 2000 from the CD. Even before the
program update magically downloaded from the web, 2000 was immediately
able to open and use the data file. It even opened the "MN8" copy
that Money 2004 made. Then I uninstalled 2000 and reinstalled 2004
again. Same problem once again - 2004 makes a copy of the data file
and then says it can't open it to do the conversion.

Incidentally, my machine is current with all XP updates.

George
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In microsoft.public.money, Cal Learner-- MVP wrote:

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I looked at this a little more. Here is what I would do in a command
window. Determine what user you are. whoami will tell you if you
don't know. Lets pretend your user name is George.

Let's also assume that the file in question is named My Money.mny

First do the following line, and note the result for later
comparison... I would cut and paste the result to store it:

cacls "My Money.mny"

That will tell the current permission status.

Then do this line to add full permissions for George:

cacls "My Money.mny" /E /G George:F

The E says add this permission to the existing permission. The G
says we are going to Grant to George Full permissions.

Then again do

cacls "My Money.mny"

and see the difference.

I think this should be basic stuff, and I should understand it all
better. I don't see those who do understand it well responding
however.

In microsoft.public.money, George Neuner wrote:

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You are going to lick this; please post back with what did it for
you.

http://www.tweakxp.com/tweak510.aspx talks of using a utility called
cacls. I have not used cacls except to try it briefly just now.

If you have a FAT partition -- perhaps on a flash drive-- try
copying the file to a different *.mny name on that drive. Then copy
it back.

I encourage those with more knowledge of file permissions to speak
up here. I have succeeded in moving a file to a different user as an
experiment, getting that result, and solving it. I am unclear on
what it was that succeeded for me.

On Wed, 25 Feb 2004 16:40:36 GMT, via_newsgroup[at]please.tnx(Cal
Learner-- MVP) wrote:

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There is no security tab available in the properties for the file. I
am the only user and I have not elected to make my files "private". I
have "simple" file sharing enabled, but the folder is not shared and
is not "private".

George
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In microsoft.public.money, George Neuner wrote:

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See if this posting helps:

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=xp...phx.gbl&rnum=1

Hi all,

I just installed Money 2004 on XP Pro SP1. The install was over a
previous working copy of Money 2000 (plus whatever online updates it
has installed over the last few years).

When I try to convert my data file, the program makes a copy of the
file with the extension "MN8" and then stops with the error:

"Money cannot locate [ my file ] or cannot open it, possibly because
it's read only or you do not have permission to change it or your disk
drive is write protected".

There are no other applications holding the file open. The machine is
single user, on a LAN with simple sharing, but the folder is not
shared and there is no additional security on the folder or file. The
old data file does have a password set.

Does anyone know how to make this work? I can (with annoyance) go
back to Money 2000 if I have to, but I would like to make this new
version work if possible.

Thanks,
George

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