In microsoft.public.money, Cuz wrote:

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That sounds more intense than what I would do. But you can
incorporate a short "note" as part of the file name. I incorporate
the date and change the filename about every three weeks. If you had
a backup from three weeks ago, you might have used it.


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You may still be able to get things right without QIF export/import.
But if you do, you will have a clean file. But you won't have the
quote history. I would avoid that solution. Just because you try it
does not mean you could not continue with the other method tho.


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Those are not mutually exclusive. You can do the trial and then go
to Money 2004 Deluxe. It may be possible you will have to uninstall
and then install from the disk, but your changes will be intact. The
trial lacks the multimedia and sounds. You will not loose anything.

Hey Cal: thanks for the reply!

At risk of jinxing myself, I haven't had any Money Update
problems as far as my mutual fund price/shr info, except
for these 2 mutual funds. My other 14 mutual funds seem
fine!

Sometimes I backup before I make a drastic change, but in
this case I didn't make a backup.

From now on, I'll make a backup before I do anything in
Money. Its just hard to remember what each backup is
for. It would be nice if I could append a note with this
sort of info in the properties for each file.
Unfortunately, these files are saved on Fat32 partition so
I don't have that ability. But I do have another
partition which is NTFS, which has this capability, so I
should probably move my Money files (or at least the
backups) to my NTFS partition.

Thanks for the tip on MacroMaker, I'll have to investigate
this clever sounding utility. Even if I don't use it for
this situation, it sounds like a cool tool to go into my
bag of helpful apps.

I think I'll play around with the export/import using
loose QIF. I have 2 other funds in this 401K account
which are fine, and I don't want to lose 'em, so I'll
definitely make backups prior to testing this.

I did download Money '04 trial, but I haven't installed it
yet, as I'm leaning towards the $20 (after rebate) for
Money & Taxcut '04 Deluxe. I don't like most "trials" of
software. Developers always have some key functions
disabled, in an attempt to force people to buy the fully-
function product!

Regards, Cuz.

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Hey Super Dude:

I would have expected Money to download the mutual fund
daily closing price for your Oakmark Int II fund. I
didn't think there was any other price (except for
that "insider" price Canary Capital Mgmt was getting!
for a mutual fund.

I have approximately 16 different mutual funds defined to
MS Money. I defined most of them in '98 (using
Quicken '98 trial version), and then I converted to
Money '98 Trial. Then Money '99 became available shortly
after and I used it until I migrated to Money '02. All
this time I have had no problems with my funds showing
incorrect price/share.

It was only when I tried to "save some time" by "swaping"
the ticker symbols in these two funds that Money '02
started showing the two different prices for these 2 funds
only.

I realize now that I didn't save any time. Actually, I
spent a lot more time now that I am trying to track down
this weird Money issue.

I'll post back with whatever fix I come up with. It will
probably be low-tech: delete these two accounts and
recreate from scratch since there are less than 50
transactions total!!!

I only wish my 401K Administrator allowed me to download
the transactions in Money format (they will let me
download in Quicken format, but not Money!). Hmmm, maybe
I should try downloading in Quicken and import using
Money... I'll have to see if Money can handle this...

Regards, Cuz.

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Ok here's my take:

I have the exact same problem you do, except with Money
2003. The price that Money downloads is completely
different from the price that I buy most of my mutual
funds at. Example, Oakmark International II closed at
$19.17 today, but I bought shares today at $12.74! This
results in really outrageous returns in the Investment
Performance tab. But my ticker symbols and everything are
correct.

So to answer the question, Money is actually downloading
the official closing price of the mutual fund correctly
(for me at elast). I confirm this on Morningstar.com. The
way that I can tell what exactly is going on is to go to
the Common Tasks tab, then click see a different view.
Valuation view is the one I use because it compares these
two different quotes right next to each other. The one
Money downloads is called Market Value, and the one I buy
at is called Cost Basis. And thats about all I know. I'm
not sure which one is the right one to use.

If anyone else can contribute to this that would be great.
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In microsoft.public.money, Cuz wrote:

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Well, what ever else you do, don't do Money Updates for now. There
is a Money-2002 specific updates problem that is being studied.


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I see a couple ways to go at this, but first, do you have a backup
that precede the events you describe here? That may affect what is
available to you. If you could do that QIF export, restore a backup,
and import the QIF, that could be easiest.

In any case, make an extra copy of your file under a different name
in case you don't like the results you get.

One way would be to delete the downloaded prices If there are too
many of them, it is possible that a keyboard macro could make this
doable. MacroMaker
http://members.ij.net/anthonymathews/MacroMaker.htm impressed me
when I had to do a lot of repetitive keyboard strokes. I am not
going to do the experiment now to check out easy or hard that would
be.


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That depends. You can export the transactions as a loose QIF. Are
those the only two funds in that particular account? If so, you
could delete the account after export. Make any changes with a text
editor, and import the QIF file back in.

Strangely enough, QIF files don't know symbols. They only use names.

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There are some improvements, but they are not going to help with the
price problem. You could download the trial to explore.

Guys: thought I'd pick your brains on this one:

Yesterday I created a new account in my Money 2002. I
called it Cuz 401K. In this account I have two mutual
funds:

Dreyfus Small Cap Stock Index Fund - ticker DISSX
Dreyfus Midcap Index Fund - ticker PESPX

I started entering "add shares" transactions as I have had
this 401k since 3/2003, but had never defined it to Money
(man am I lazy!).

When I was about half way done, I realized I had been
entering the transactions into the wrong accounts (I was
putting the small cap xactions in the midcap fund and vice
versa). I know, I know, I should have paid more attention
to the way Money lists the funds in my account
(alphabetically, not in the order I defined them)!

I was extra lazy so instead of deleting all my
transactions and starting all over, I simply went into the
See Details view and used RENAME function to change the
name of Midcap fund to "Temp". I also cleared the ticker
symbol from PESPX by highlighting and hitting Delete key,
then DONE button.

Next I used See Details on Smallcap and RENAME function to
change name to Midcap fund. I then overtyped the old
ticker symbol (it was DISSX) with PESPX and hit DONE.

Last step was See Details on TEMP: used RENAME to change
name to SmallCap fund, and typed in the correct ticker
symbol of DISSX, and hit DONE.

Everything looked fine at this point (details on all
transactions showed the correct fund name), so I continued
to enter the rest of the year's transactions, this time
into the correct funds.

However, now when I look at Price History, I see the most
amazing SawTooth pattern. Each Buy point on the chart is
accurate price per share, but each online price point in
between the buy points is incorrect. It is the price per
share of the other fund (so when I do Price History on
DISSX - Small Cap, I get online price for PESPX - Midcap,
and vice versa)!!!

Strangly my current online price for each fund is
accurate, it is the price history which is wrong, but this
results in the various Money Investment reports also being
wrong, so I need this corrected.

Obviously I need to fix this and I am feeling too lazy to
delete both funds from my Cuz 401K and start all over.

Is there a way I can export just these two funds from my
Cuz401K account, delete the funds (which hopefully will
delete the incorrect ticker symbol info which is hidden
somewhere in Money) in my Money file and import the funds
back in?

When I look at See Details for each fund, the ticker
symbol info is correct, but reading over this forum I see
comments about "ghost" ticker symbols, which is probably
part of what is happening to me.

Does the whole Investments function work better in Money
2004? With current offers at Staples / Office Max, I can
get Money '04 for free (after rebates) if I also purchase
a TaxCut Deluxe for $10. I really haven't been very
impressed with the Investments part of Money, which is a
shame since it was better than Quicken's back when I
trialed both products in '99-'00.

I ended up using Money '02, but even simple things like
direct rollovers of IRA's seem to not be able to be
intuitively handled by Money.

Is Money '04 an improvement?