----- Arge wrote: ----

Did you ever stop to think that if it didn't mention quicken 2004.........i
probably won't convert quicken 2004

"Did you ever stop to think" that you should stop your fingers from hitting the "reply" button when you do not have anything useful to say?

My message -- the one above yours in this thread -- says

"What is the isssue with the data format of Quicken 2001, and why isn't this website clea
about it? Why can't I find an explanation despite many searches?

It was a different user who tried to import Q2004 -- not me. I wanted to import Quicken 2001 -- an older version which, according to SOME pages on the Microsoft website, will work

But I've said enough on the subject. If Microsoft does not even know what their own product does, I assume they will not notice if I do not buy the product. That is an easy decision.

----- Cal Learner-- MVP wrote: -----

In microsoft.public.money, Toonces [it was me, different screen name] wrote:

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My company? You are leaping to conclusions again.

"Again?" That was my first post here (hence the screw up with the screen name).

Okay, replace "your company" with "you." Better? You said:

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But in fact, that same URL does indeed specify limits on Quicken imports. It says: "Money 2004 includes a Converter wizard for Quicken that allows you to open files created with Quicken 2002, 2001, 2000, 99 (8.x) and Quicken versions 4.x, 5.x, 6.x, and 7.x."

But this brings us to even worse conflicts on the part of Microsoft (which is not the same as an MVP, okay). As I pointed out in the same message to which you reply,

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Now, this is really getting weird. This is yet another set of Quicken version numbers for users to slog through.

TO CUT TO THE CHASE: If I were the Product Manager for Microsoft Money, I would be one embarrassed SOB. Because if I were that person I would clearly be having no communication whatsoever with my marketing people, and my packaging people, and my website people, and my internal communication people, and my tech support people, and perhaps even my spouse and even family pets.

What does the product do, and how? These are simple questions. But as customers come seeking the answers, they find a churning miasma of confusing nonsense. Web pages that disagree with each other, and MVPs attempting with middling success to answer questions that really ought to be addressed by clearly labeled packages and clearly written web pages and readily accessible support personnel. Money has been a poor stepchild of this huge company for a longtime, and perhaps that alone is enough reason to stick with Intuit, which has a lot more at stake riding on its financial software.

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Find somebody with Quicken 2001. Ask them if there is any version
listed when they do Help-> About.

As noted in my first message I AM a person with Quicken 2001. I realize that it was my first time on the board but was my typing really that inscrutable?

FYI, Cal: Checking the Help/About box was the FIRST thing I did, because I've been using computers for a long time and I thought that the product might bear multiple version numbers. But it does not. That is really a trick reserved to Microsoft anyway, like figuring out whether Office 95 was the same as Office 6 or whatever the heck that deal was. I still don't know (and don't much care). It was a stupid idea to put the year name in the product in the first place. Everything had been fine up to that point.

In Quicken, the Help screen says 2001, just like the splash screen, just like the manual, and just like the screen icon. Now you know. What is still unknown is whether Microsoft supports the ability to import data from this product. Given the one meaningful reply I got on that subject, combined with the utter confusion elsewhere, I am betting against a successful import of anything but a very simple checking account or something like that. In case anybody asks again, I suggest providing that as an answer. Just trying to help.

Did you ever stop to think that if it didn't mention quicken 2004.........it
probably won't convert quicken 2004.

Bob
"Toonces" <not_lebowski[at]yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:866801c3f992$c43169e0$7d02280a[at]phx.gbl...
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Your company seems very conflicted about what this product
can do. Elsewhere (at
http://www.microsoft.com/money/info/comparison.asp) it
says "The Converter Wizard for Quicken® in the U.S.
version of Microsoft Money 2004 Premium will convert files
from Quicken U.S. versions 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, Quicken
2002, and Quicken 2003."

Note the conspicuous absence of Quicken 2001. What's up
with that? BTW, similar/identical text appears on the
RETAIL BOX of Money 2003 AND Money 2004 -- so it's not
just a website problem. What is the isssue with the data
format of Quicken 2001, and why isn't this website clear
about it? Why can't I find an explanation despite many
searches?

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Even more misleading than that, as noted above.

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Except as noted above. In all fairness this could be
something stupid that Quicken does to its own data
formats, or a bug that it inserts specifically to thwart
would-be product switchers. But one would think that MS
would have the smarts to deal with such a thing.

In microsoft.public.money, Toonces wrote:

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My company? You are leaping to conclusions again.


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Find somebody with Quicken 2001. Ask them if there is any version
listed when they do Help-> About.

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Your company seems very conflicted about what this product
can do. Elsewhere (at
http://www.microsoft.com/money/info/comparison.asp) it
says "The Converter Wizard for Quicken® in the U.S.
version of Microsoft Money 2004 Premium will convert files
from Quicken U.S. versions 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, Quicken
2002, and Quicken 2003."

Note the conspicuous absence of Quicken 2001. What's up
with that? BTW, similar/identical text appears on the
RETAIL BOX of Money 2003 AND Money 2004 -- so it's not
just a website problem. What is the isssue with the data
format of Quicken 2001, and why isn't this website clear
about it? Why can't I find an explanation despite many
searches?

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Even more misleading than that, as noted above.

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Except as noted above. In all fairness this could be
something stupid that Quicken does to its own data
formats, or a bug that it inserts specifically to thwart
would-be product switchers. But one would think that MS
would have the smarts to deal with such a thing.

anonymous

Just curious.........Where on the box did you read that Money 2004 would
convert Quicken 2004? I am sure that you DO read the boxes prior to making
a purchase of software.

Bob
<anonymous[at]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:9a9b01c3eb5a$9b38a2b0$a101280a[at]phx.gbl...
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In microsoft.public.money, <anonymous[at]discussions.microsoft.comwrote:

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About the only support available in that regard would be to tell you
that Money 2004 would not convert Quicken 2004, unless you were
interested in doing a QIF export/import. That has significant
limitations.

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I tried converting a file from Quicken 2004 - first my own,
large file, then a small test file - and it appears to
convert, but all the transactions have a date of 1/1/1900,
and zero amounts.

I guess I expected someone to support it - if not Dell,
then Microsoft, perhaps, on the hopes of gaining a long
term customer.

What I could do is download a version for evaluation and
get some support on that - or not? But I dont bother since
I now know that they dont yet support Quicken 2004.

Dell to Intuit: How much will you give me to plug your stuff
Dell to Gates: How much will you give me to plug your stuff.
Dell to Intuit: Bill just undercut you. Whatcha goin to do about
it?
etc
etc

arthur
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On Tue, 3 Feb 2004 19:39:46 -0500, "Arge" wrote:
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Dan

It will do what it says most of the time, but won't do what it doesn't say
anytime. Next year the box will probably say that it will convert Quicken
2004 and earlier/

Why would you expect Microsoft to support something they sold to someone
else (The manufacturer of your new computer). In order for you computer
Manufacturer to purchase many copies of Money for many machines and a
greatly reduced price.......they have to support it. That is nothing
new........it has always been that way, at least as far back as I can
remember

Bob

Bob
"Dan" <subs[at]kronhead.com> wrote in message
news:9b1201c3eaa2$dada0a70$a401280a[at]phx.gbl...
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In microsoft.public.money, Dan wrote:

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I see that at http://www.microsoft.com/money/info/trial/faq.asp. The
list should include Quicken 2003.

http://www.microsoft.com/money/info/quicken.asp is misleading in
that it has no limits specified.

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If past patterns hold, Money 2005 would be able to convert Quicken
2004.

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Does this have anything to do with your earlier question? What
conversion failed?

The MS web site says "Money 2004 includes a Converter
wizard for Quicken that allows you to open files created
with Quicken 2002, 2001, 2000, 99 (8.x) and Quicken
versions 4.x, 5.x, 6.x, and 7.x."

Does anyone know if there are any plans to add support for
newer versions of Quicken - specifically Q-2004?

More generally - Money came with my new Dell - Dell says
they cannot help when I complained that conversion gave
errors - and Micrsoft says they don't provide help with
OEM versions. Unbelievable!! Its like they don't WANT me to
become a paying customer!