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Old 07-23-2003, 05:29 PM
Bob Peel, MVP
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Default Re: (not) New in Money'04: Online Services Valid Two or Three Years from first use

I think I read somewhere (don't ask where) that MS withdraw support for
version x 18 months after the release of version x+1 - but I may have got
that badly wrong.

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"Dick Watson" <littlegreengecko[at]mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:u7h56kIUDHA.1576[at]TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
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> No doubt that is also a component of this. It just drives them nuts that
AOL
> can charge $22 a month and get users begging to get the "free" software
> updates when it's all they can do to get people to spend $17 every five
> years for an upgrade. I'm sure they are really annoyed at the notion that
> there are still happy Money v. 3 users out there who are down to less than
> $2/year of use but still want "free" support. In a lot of ways, I can't
> blame them for trying to change the business model for software from
selling
> it like hardware to selling it like a utility or a service.
> "Tunga Kiyak" <tunga[at]nospam.technologist.com> wrote in message
> news:eKyopVIUDHA.2280[at]TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> > Of course the fact that they give 2 years for "Money Standard" and 3
years
> > for "Money Premium" shows that it really has nothing to do with changing
> > technologies or support for legacy standards, but rather the fact that
> > Microsoft simply "prefers" its customers to go into "subscription mode"
> and
> > keep on "paying in perpetuity"


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Old 07-22-2003, 07:41 PM
Dick Watson
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Default Re: (not) New in Money'04: Online Services Valid Two or Three Years from first use

No doubt that is also a component of this. It just drives them nuts that AOL
can charge $22 a month and get users begging to get the "free" software
updates when it's all they can do to get people to spend $17 every five
years for an upgrade. I'm sure they are really annoyed at the notion that
there are still happy Money v. 3 users out there who are down to less than
$2/year of use but still want "free" support. In a lot of ways, I can't
blame them for trying to change the business model for software from selling
it like hardware to selling it like a utility or a service.

"Tunga Kiyak" <tunga[at]nospam.technologist.com> wrote in message
news:eKyopVIUDHA.2280[at]TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
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> Of course the fact that they give 2 years for "Money Standard" and 3 years
> for "Money Premium" shows that it really has nothing to do with changing
> technologies or support for legacy standards, but rather the fact that
> Microsoft simply "prefers" its customers to go into "subscription mode"
and
> keep on "paying in perpetuity"


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Old 07-22-2003, 05:45 PM
Dick Watson
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Default Re: (not) New in Money'04: Online Services Valid Two or Three Years from first use

As noted, these were added in M03.

How do they deal with the M02 users? Well, eventually they just de facto
tell you to get hosed and wait for you to sue them on the grounds that they
owe you support of these services and interfaces in perpetuity in exchange
for the $18 you paid for M02. I think they are betting you will fold before
they have to.

I don't think this is any more than making explicit that which has always
been implicit: they do not support the old stuff forever more.

"Tunga Kiyak" <tunga[at]nospam.technologist.com> wrote in message
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> I posted this in response to Cal's message, too, but M02 EULA has no such
> restrictions (or at least I can't find them). How will they deal with M02
> users then? Support them for life (which would beat the whole purpose of
> what you're suggesting), or change their stated policy (the one that was
> valid when we, users, paid for the product and accepted the EULA)?


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Old 07-22-2003, 03:38 PM
Tunga Kiyak
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Default Re: (not) New in Money'04: Online Services Valid Two or Three Years from first use

I posted this in response to Cal's message, too, but M02 EULA has no such
restrictions (or at least I can't find them). How will they deal with M02
users then? Support them for life (which would beat the whole purpose of
what you're suggesting), or change their stated policy (the one that was
valid when we, users, paid for the product and accepted the EULA)?


"Dick Watson" <littlegreengecko[at]mindspring.com> wrote in message
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> Similar restrictions existed in the M03 EULAs. They don't want to have to
> support old protocols and services indefinitely.
> "Tunga Kiyak" <tunga[at]nospam.technologist.com> wrote in message
> news:#rivyXFUDHA.2420[at]TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> > Did this footnote used to exist for other versions as well? I can
> understand
> > the online bill pay and Money Plus but I did not know that downloading
> > transactions and stock quotes had a time limit on them.


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Old 07-22-2003, 03:35 PM
Tunga Kiyak
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"Cal Learner-- MVP" <via_newsgroup[at]please.tnx> wrote in message
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> > Quotes had a limitation starting in Money 3003. Limiting
> "downloading transactions from your financial institution" is new
> and shocking.
> To view your license information,
> Help-> AboutMicrosoftMoney-> LicenseAgreement.

In Money 2002 the License Agreement pulls up a pretty generic EULA with no
mention of online services.

Does that mean they will continue to support online quotes for Money 2002,
but not Money 2003 and 2004? That wouldn't make sense...

Or does that mean they will in fact cut support, even though that wasn't a
part of the licensing agreement that we, users, agreed to?





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Old 07-22-2003, 02:48 PM
Dick Watson
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Default Re: (not) New in Money'04: Online Services Valid Two or Three Years from first use

Similar restrictions existed in the M03 EULAs. They don't want to have to
support old protocols and services indefinitely.

"Tunga Kiyak" <tunga[at]nospam.technologist.com> wrote in message
news:#rivyXFUDHA.2420[at]TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
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> Did this footnote used to exist for other versions as well? I can
understand
> the online bill pay and Money Plus but I did not know that downloading
> transactions and stock quotes had a time limit on them.


 
Old 07-22-2003, 02:46 PM
Cal Learner-- MVP
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In microsoft.public.money, Tunga Kiyak wrote:

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> From the new Money 2004 pages:
> http://www.microsoft.com/money/info/comparison.asp
> "Online services valid two or three years from first use. Online bill pay,
> downloading transactions from your financial institution, downloading stock
> quotes, and the ability to synchronize with MSNŽ Money Plus or MSN Money
> expire two years from first use of Microsoft Money Standard or September 1,
> 2006, whichever is earlier. Online bill pay, downloading transactions from
> your financial institution, downloading stock quotes, and the ability to
> synchronize with MSNŽ Money Plus or MSN Money expire three years from first
> use of Microsoft Money 2004 Premium or September 1, 2007, whichever is
> earlier."
> Did this footnote used to exist for other versions as well? I can understand
> the online bill pay and Money Plus but I did not know that downloading
> transactions and stock quotes had a time limit on them.

Quotes had a limitation starting in Money 3003. Limiting
"downloading transactions from your financial institution" is new
and shocking.

To view your license information,
Help-> AboutMicrosoftMoney-> LicenseAgreement.

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Old 07-22-2003, 01:34 PM
Tunga Kiyak
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Default New in Money'04: Online Services Valid Two or Three Years from first use

From the new Money 2004 pages:

http://www.microsoft.com/money/info/comparison.asp

"Online services valid two or three years from first use. Online bill pay,
downloading transactions from your financial institution, downloading stock
quotes, and the ability to synchronize with MSNŽ Money Plus or MSN Money
expire two years from first use of Microsoft Money Standard or September 1,
2006, whichever is earlier. Online bill pay, downloading transactions from
your financial institution, downloading stock quotes, and the ability to
synchronize with MSNŽ Money Plus or MSN Money expire three years from first
use of Microsoft Money 2004 Premium or September 1, 2007, whichever is
earlier."


Did this footnote used to exist for other versions as well? I can understand
the online bill pay and Money Plus but I did not know that downloading
transactions and stock quotes had a time limit on them.




 

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