On 12 Jan 2004 17:06:53 -0800, samwbc[at]hotmail.com (Sam W) wrote:

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The Standard version does have investment management and retirement account
capabilities in the Canadian version though it's not as sophisticated as
the Deluxe version would have. Also have noticed that the price history
deleting capability isn't functional in the Canadian version though if you
read the help section it refers to it.

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And you won't. There hasn't been a Canadian Deluxe version of Money since
Money 2000. Standard versions are all we are getting.

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Canadian Standard version is the only option we have. Who knows, Microsoft
may pull a rabbit out of the hat and give us Money 2005 Canadian (with
Canadian references to boot) Standard and Deluxe versions but don't hold
your breath though.

The Standard version supports RRSPs in a round about way. They are
referred to as IRAs so when setting it up, set it up as an IRA and you
should be fine.

I think Futureshop is currently only selling the Standard version. I
think only the Deluxe version has investment management and retirement
planning.

http://www.microsoft.com/money/info/comparison.asp

As of today, I haven't found a place that sells a Canadian version of
Money 2004 Deluxe yet. All I can find at Futureshop and Amazon.ca is
the Standard version. The Canadian MS Money website still only
advertises the 2003 versions.

http://www.microsoft.com/canada/money/default.mspx

So it is possible that only the 2004 Canadian Standard version is
available at this time, which doesn't support RRSPs. You might have
to wait for the 2004 Canadian Deluxe version to come out which
supports RRSPs.





"Alan" <as0900[at]moc.liamtoh> wrote in message news:<uDtMhDx0DHA.2240[at]TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl> ...
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Just to be clear here, I was not suggesting you try to convince the
store they should refund your money for any reason other than the EULA.
I'd forgo the argument that they are Canada's largest computer
software retailer, that out of principle they should do this, that they
have enough pull with MS Canada, that it is marketed under false
pretenses, etc.

That EULA is a legal agreement between you and Microsoft, and it clearly
says if you do not agree to the terms, you may return the product to
where you bought it for a full refund. It makes no conditions as to
this is at the store's discretion, if the seal on the CD is broken,
etc., etc., etc. I'd take it back and say 'I don't agree to the terms
of the license, and per that license I want "full refund"'.

Future Shop, being one of Canada's largest electronics, most certainly
has signed some agreement with Microsoft in order to resell Microsoft's
products, and as such they comply with Microsoft's licensing agreements.
If they refuse one bit, I'd make that call to Microsoft Canada and
say, "Hey, I don't agree to the terms of the license on one of your
products I just purchased, and I tried to return it for a full refund,
but the place where I bought it refused. What's the deal?". Then
report back here how it played out.



Alan wrote:
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It appears that you are mistaken about that, since this post has gotten a
large number of responses.

Unlike my recent and much milder rant against Money's arithmetic errors,
which got none. Perhaps I should have been louder.


"Chris Cowles" <NoSpam[at]For.me> wrote in message
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It's the Canadian version of a 401K.
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Yes, I agree with you and found that out several versions
back. I have been using the US Deluxe versions ever
since. Even the Canadian MSMoney site is substandard to
the US one in that it does not offer Money accounts
synchronization.

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No, I realize that. I've tried to research this a bit and found the answer
posted from an MVP, usually after one of those "ummm - what's an RRSP?"
postings?

In news:e8eG4z40DHA.3140[at]tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl, Mike G. <xxx[at]xxx.com> wrote:

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That was me wondering if a 401k would work. I am not an MVP, but just a Money
2001 user suggesting a workaround, so don't blame them.


Alan wrote:
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Well, unfortunately, Canadians know what GST is because we have it as well!

By the way, MS Money 2004 Canadian Version has no idea what GST is when you
enquire in the "Help" files. Sheesh!!

In news:btap52$fu0$1[at]austar-news.austar.net.au, A.A. Fussy
<amarks[at]austarnet.com.au> wrote:

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Thanks for this and I agree with you, but the store's attitude is that if
the seal on the envelope of the CD, the product cannot be returned. I've
tried to argue that Future Shop being one of Canada's largest electronics
and computer retailers would certainly have enough pull with MS Canada to
say "our customer rightfully believes that this product is marketed under
false pretenses and that it's no more Canadian than Bill Gates is" and have
MS Canada take it back and credit the store, but they disagree.

Today, I'm going to speak to MS Canada directly about this. As I guess it's
clear by now, I'm really angered by this. Most Canadians have RRSPs
(registered retirement savings plans) -- well, probably anyone whos tracking
their finances on their PC anyway. To exclude the RRSP and then have MS
MVPs trained to tell people "Oh well, just use the 401K" is not only silly
(why not put that in the Help files then), but it's just not right.

I've been going through the Quicken Canada product info and it seems to
support RRSPs and other Canadian particulars.

In news:JKednWNvZdGQVGWiRVn-hQ[at]comcast.com, Retired Coal Miner <...[at]...wrote:

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I'd also like to point out that the International English version sold in
Australia is not localised/customised to suit Australia. No support for GST
(goods and services tax, if you don't know)-Quicken 2004 sold here is . And
there is no way to keep track of shares in the version we gwt-Quicken has a
function for tha
"Alan" <as0900[at]moc.liamtoh> wrote in message
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Registered Retirement Savings Plan, Canadian version of a 401k

"NickKnight" <NickKnightSTILLNOSPAMonFK[at]hotmail.com> wrote in message
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If you are serious about getting a refund, then utilize the terms of the
EULA (end user license agreement) to get a refund:

"By installing, copying, downloading, accessing or otherwise using the
SOFTWARE PRODUCT, you agree to be bound by the terms of this EULA. If
you do not agree to the terms of this EULA, do not install or use the
SOFTWARE PRODUCT; you may, however, return it to your place of purchase
for a full refund." -- That's on my US version.

It's a little known thing that Microsoft resellers are supposed to make
these refunds. I'm certain somewhere in his sellers agreements with MS,
it says so. But, if this reseller won't, contact MS's Canadian offices,
specifically mention that the reseller refused to comply with the terms.
Then report back here, please, I'm curious how this plays out.


Alan wrote:
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You are correct. Software that claims to be the "Canadian" version should
recognize something as basic as an RRSP without people having to go to
public web newsgroups to be told to simply use a "401K".

How would feel if a Canadian software claimed to produce a US version of
home finance software and then called the retirement fund option an "RRSP"
and then told Americans who complained about this that they should just use
an RRSP?

And if I research back a bit now after the fact, this has been an ongoing
complaint since two versions ago.

I'm sorry if I sounded like it was just a rant, but I'm furious about this.
I feel like all that MS did was put a prominent Maple Leaf on this software
to generate a few sales in Canada without doing a proper job of it, and so
my advice remains.

If you're in Canada, go with Quicken and avoid MS Money 2004.

In news:upnlX8y0DHA.2868[at]TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl, Chris Cowles <NoSpam[at]For.mewrote:

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Not being Canadian I can't answer authoritatively but am guessing there are
other differences.

I think the point of the original flame was that personal finance software
claiming to be customized for Canada should at least manage the most common
account types. I'd have to agree, but perhaps the statement could have been
made in a manner people aren't so likely to ignore.
--
Chris Cowles,
Gainesville, FL

"Mike G." <xxx[at]xxx.com> wrote in message
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In that case, why not just call the RRSP a 401k?

Jennifer M wrote:
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e-mail: mguttman at yahoo dot com

On Sun, 4 Jan 2004 17:19:53 -0500, "Alan" <as0900[at]moc.liamtoh> wrote:

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I just wasted $50 on MS Money 2004 Canadian version. It has absolutely no
support for RRSPs, yet it claims to be customized for Canadians.

DO NOT WASTE YOUR MONEY!! I have attempted to get a refund from Future
Shop but they won't take it back because the CD has been opened. This is
selling merchandise under false pretenses. If a financial application is
supposed to be "Canadianized" and yet does not support or recognize a basic
RRSP, it's sub-standard.

A few years ago I had Quicken's Canadian version and had no problem with it.
I'm going back to it. I'm totally disgusted with MS's so-called Canadian
version.

DO NOT WASTE YOUR MONEY ON MS MONEY CANADIAN VERSION 2004. IT'S GARBAGE.