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Old 12-30-2003, 08:14 PM
R D McCulloch
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Default Re: Two problems with Money 2004

Some upfront documentation in MO3

In MS Money 2003 - Click on "Help" - "About Microsoft Money" - "License
Agreement ..."
read ....

"2. DESCRIPTION OF OTHER RIGHTS AND LIMITATIONS.
. Expiration of Certain Features. You will not be able to exercise your
rights under this EULA to the following features of the SOFTWARE PRODUCT
after expiration of the respective time periods specified:
. Money 2003 Deluxe/Business Online Quotes and Roaming features expire the
earlier of three (3) years after your activation of the SOFTWARE PRODUCT or
September 1, 2006.
. Money 2003 Standard Online Quotes and Roaming features expire on the
earlier of three (3) years after your activation of the SOFTWARE PRODUCT or
September 1, 2004. "

Regards

<anonymous[at]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:01ec01c3cf11$282ac0b0$a401280a[at]phx.gbl...
- quote -

> Your comment is not much help, MO 4 does not be have as
> it "should" I have to skip the Passport nag everytime I
> open MO4, something two or three times a day since
> installing MO4 two months ago.
> Is there another method for bypassing the Passport nag
> screen; other than the "accepted" Microsoft method of
> signing up for a Passport and thereby opening my computer
> to tons and tons of advertisements from "Friends of
> Microsoft" ??
> > -----Original Message-----
> > You should only have to skip the Passport nag three

> times when starting
> > Money with this data file. The number of times you

> connect to the Internet
> > has nothing to do with it.
> > > Your conclusion as to why M03 stopped downloading quotes

> may be wrong. M03
> > started the practice of setting time limits for how long

> these services
> > would be provided. If your M03 was Standard edition, you

> may well have
> > overran that time limit. If you upgrade to M04 Standard,

> prepare to find a
> > similar limit kick in about a year from now.

> And praytell where is the upfront documentation in MO3
> and MO4 that tells me this. Or what is the Knowledge Base
> Article number that explains this. Millions of people
> including myself have spent hours troubleshooting OUR
> installations on the mistaken assumption that WE caused
> the download feature to malfunction. Believe me, had I
> known UPFRONT I would have gladly given up that feature
> to avoid the two or three times a day Passport nag.
> > > You are not clear on what your problem with the user's

> manual (online help)
> Simply put when I get to the "Microsoft Money User's
> Guide Start Page" and click on "Open" nothing happens.
> Is there an alternative way to access Microsoft Money
> User's Guide from outside MO4?
> > is and whether or not they could put it in PDF is

> probably irrelevant. Some
> > people have had issues with Money Help that have been

> overcome by deleting
> > all Internet temporary files from the Internet Explorer

> Tools|Internet
> > Options|General|Temporary Internet Files|Delete Files

> choice. You might try
> > that. At any rate, and as you note, it may be moot on

> the subject of the
> > Passport prompt.
> > > I'm not sure how feature creep in Money from version to

> version is reason to
> > encourage virus and worm writers and other forms of

> malignant script
> > kiddies.

> "feature creep" Be kind to yourself. My position
> represents millions of frugal persons who use Money to
> maintain daily control of our household budgets. I would
> characterize it as "feature drop" and "Passport spam
> creep" over which I have no voice. Microsoft at least
> listens to those guys.
> As I see it my best option to overcome my MO4 problems
> (and with your indications that Microsoft could put
> further limits on other MO4 features when MO5 publishes)
> is to research how I can go back to using MO3 and get
> some other program to track my stocks.
> > > "Duane Gullixson" <anonymous[at]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> > news:030101c3ce62$7960f4e0$a501280a[at]phx.gbl...
> > > Have used Money successfully for three or four years
> > > until: Money 2003 stopped downloading stock prices for
> > > those few stocks I owned and was tracking in Money. I
> > > decided to download free Money 2004 and try it to see

> if
> > > it was the program or me. Money 2004 did download stock
> > > prices. Conclusion: Microsoft uses separate URL'S for
> > > Money 2003 and Money 2004. Question: Would Money 2004

> URL
> > > work with Money 2003 files? For fear of the answer I
> > > decided to bite the bullet and give poor Microsoft the
> > > $19.99 for the upgrade to 2004 just to get the stock
> > > prices.
> > > > > Now the problems:
> > > One: Money 2004 added a new screen to get everyone to
> > > sign up for a "Passport". "Sign In to Open Your Money
> > > File". Never had to do that before; but now I have to

> go
> > > through the hassle of clicking "Skip" (Passport sign-

> in)
> > > just to get to my Money file. Sure I found the
> > > instructions to go to "Password Manager" through "File"
> > > menu and followed the instructions but they do not

> work:
> > > Microsoft Money cannot cancel the Passport sign in no
> > > matter how many times I disconnect and reconnect to the
> > > internet.
> > > Two: I decided to see what the Money User Manual had to
> > > say about bypassing the Passport sign in screen. No

> such
> > > luck; even though I checked the appropriate box in the
> > > Internet options setup to enable scripting, Money User
> > > Manual will not open. Please don't tell me to disable

> my
> > > anti-virus and personal firewall; Microsoft COULD put

> the
> > > User Manual into a pfd format without much effort. I
> > > doubt that the Manual would fix the Passport screen
> > > hassle in any event.
> > > > > I guess my only advantage is that I am 65 years old and
> > > only have to put up with this hassle for a few more
> > > years. I do long for the good old days where my

> programs
> > > and files were self-contained in my computer and I

> could
> > > maintain my budget in relatively simple peace. It is
> > > almost enough to make a guy start encouraging the virus
> > > and worm generators.
> > > > .


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Old 12-30-2003, 07:29 PM
Dick Watson
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Default Re: Two problems with Money 2004

Well, then, your problem is a different problem.

Go to File|Password Manager and remove the Passport.

Why'd you set it up to use a Passport if you thought Passport was so
evil???

I'm at a loss as to what relationship there is between requiring Passport
authentication for your data file and "opening [your] computer to tons and
tons of advertisements from 'Friends of Microsoft.'" These are utterly
unrelated issues. Many people require Passport authentication for access to
their Money file and receive no additional advertisements as a result.

<anonymous[at]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:01ec01c3cf11$282ac0b0$a401280a[at]phx.gbl...
- quote -

> Your comment is not much help, MO 4 does not be have as
> it "should" I have to skip the Passport nag everytime I
> open MO4, something two or three times a day since
> installing MO4 two months ago.
> Is there another method for bypassing the Passport nag
> screen; other than the "accepted" Microsoft method of
> signing up for a Passport and thereby opening my computer
> to tons and tons of advertisements from "Friends of
> Microsoft" ??



  #1  
Old 12-30-2003, 07:11 PM
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Default Re: Two problems with Money 2004

Your comment is not much help, MO 4 does not be have as
it "should" I have to skip the Passport nag everytime I
open MO4, something two or three times a day since
installing MO4 two months ago.
Is there another method for bypassing the Passport nag
screen; other than the "accepted" Microsoft method of
signing up for a Passport and thereby opening my computer
to tons and tons of advertisements from "Friends of
Microsoft" ??
- quote -

> -----Original Message-----
> You should only have to skip the Passport nag three

times when starting
> Money with this data file. The number of times you

connect to the Internet
> has nothing to do with it.
> Your conclusion as to why M03 stopped downloading quotes

may be wrong. M03
> started the practice of setting time limits for how long

these services
> would be provided. If your M03 was Standard edition, you

may well have
> overran that time limit. If you upgrade to M04 Standard,

prepare to find a
> similar limit kick in about a year from now.


And praytell where is the upfront documentation in MO3
and MO4 that tells me this. Or what is the Knowledge Base
Article number that explains this. Millions of people
including myself have spent hours troubleshooting OUR
installations on the mistaken assumption that WE caused
the download feature to malfunction. Believe me, had I
known UPFRONT I would have gladly given up that feature
to avoid the two or three times a day Passport nag.
- quote -

> You are not clear on what your problem with the user's
manual (online help)

Simply put when I get to the "Microsoft Money User's
Guide Start Page" and click on "Open" nothing happens.
Is there an alternative way to access Microsoft Money
User's Guide from outside MO4?

- quote -

> is and whether or not they could put it in PDF is
probably irrelevant. Some
> people have had issues with Money Help that have been

overcome by deleting
> all Internet temporary files from the Internet Explorer

Tools|Internet
> Options|General|Temporary Internet Files|Delete Files

choice. You might try
> that. At any rate, and as you note, it may be moot on

the subject of the
> Passport prompt.
> I'm not sure how feature creep in Money from version to

version is reason to
> encourage virus and worm writers and other forms of

malignant script
> kiddies.


"feature creep" Be kind to yourself. My position
represents millions of frugal persons who use Money to
maintain daily control of our household budgets. I would
characterize it as "feature drop" and "Passport spam
creep" over which I have no voice. Microsoft at least
listens to those guys.

As I see it my best option to overcome my MO4 problems
(and with your indications that Microsoft could put
further limits on other MO4 features when MO5 publishes)
is to research how I can go back to using MO3 and get
some other program to track my stocks.
- quote -

> "Duane Gullixson" <anonymous[at]discussions.microsoft.comwrote in message
> news:030101c3ce62$7960f4e0$a501280a[at]phx.gbl...
> > Have used Money successfully for three or four years
> > until: Money 2003 stopped downloading stock prices for
> > those few stocks I owned and was tracking in Money. I
> > decided to download free Money 2004 and try it to see

if
> > it was the program or me. Money 2004 did download stock
> > prices. Conclusion: Microsoft uses separate URL'S for
> > Money 2003 and Money 2004. Question: Would Money 2004

URL
> > work with Money 2003 files? For fear of the answer I
> > decided to bite the bullet and give poor Microsoft the
> > $19.99 for the upgrade to 2004 just to get the stock
> > prices.
> > > Now the problems:

> > One: Money 2004 added a new screen to get everyone to
> > sign up for a "Passport". "Sign In to Open Your Money
> > File". Never had to do that before; but now I have to

go
> > through the hassle of clicking "Skip" (Passport sign-

in)
> > just to get to my Money file. Sure I found the
> > instructions to go to "Password Manager" through "File"
> > menu and followed the instructions but they do not

work:
> > Microsoft Money cannot cancel the Passport sign in no
> > matter how many times I disconnect and reconnect to the
> > internet.
> > Two: I decided to see what the Money User Manual had to
> > say about bypassing the Passport sign in screen. No

such
> > luck; even though I checked the appropriate box in the
> > Internet options setup to enable scripting, Money User
> > Manual will not open. Please don't tell me to disable

my
> > anti-virus and personal firewall; Microsoft COULD put

the
> > User Manual into a pfd format without much effort. I
> > doubt that the Manual would fix the Passport screen
> > hassle in any event.
> > > I guess my only advantage is that I am 65 years old and

> > only have to put up with this hassle for a few more
> > years. I do long for the good old days where my

programs
> > and files were self-contained in my computer and I

could
> > maintain my budget in relatively simple peace. It is
> > almost enough to make a guy start encouraging the virus
> > and worm generators.

> .

 
Old 12-29-2003, 10:36 PM
Dick Watson
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Posts: n/a
Default Re: Two problems with Money 2004

You should only have to skip the Passport nag three times when starting
Money with this data file. The number of times you connect to the Internet
has nothing to do with it.

Your conclusion as to why M03 stopped downloading quotes may be wrong. M03
started the practice of setting time limits for how long these services
would be provided. If your M03 was Standard edition, you may well have
overran that time limit. If you upgrade to M04 Standard, prepare to find a
similar limit kick in about a year from now.

You are not clear on what your problem with the user's manual (online help)
is and whether or not they could put it in PDF is probably irrelevant. Some
people have had issues with Money Help that have been overcome by deleting
all Internet temporary files from the Internet Explorer Tools|Internet
Options|General|Temporary Internet Files|Delete Files choice. You might try
that. At any rate, and as you note, it may be moot on the subject of the
Passport prompt.

I'm not sure how feature creep in Money from version to version is reason to
encourage virus and worm writers and other forms of malignant script
kiddies. That seems like a rather odd wish.

"Duane Gullixson" <anonymous[at]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:030101c3ce62$7960f4e0$a501280a[at]phx.gbl...
- quote -

> Have used Money successfully for three or four years
> until: Money 2003 stopped downloading stock prices for
> those few stocks I owned and was tracking in Money. I
> decided to download free Money 2004 and try it to see if
> it was the program or me. Money 2004 did download stock
> prices. Conclusion: Microsoft uses separate URL'S for
> Money 2003 and Money 2004. Question: Would Money 2004 URL
> work with Money 2003 files? For fear of the answer I
> decided to bite the bullet and give poor Microsoft the
> $19.99 for the upgrade to 2004 just to get the stock
> prices.
> Now the problems:
> One: Money 2004 added a new screen to get everyone to
> sign up for a "Passport". "Sign In to Open Your Money
> File". Never had to do that before; but now I have to go
> through the hassle of clicking "Skip" (Passport sign-in)
> just to get to my Money file. Sure I found the
> instructions to go to "Password Manager" through "File"
> menu and followed the instructions but they do not work:
> Microsoft Money cannot cancel the Passport sign in no
> matter how many times I disconnect and reconnect to the
> internet.
> Two: I decided to see what the Money User Manual had to
> say about bypassing the Passport sign in screen. No such
> luck; even though I checked the appropriate box in the
> Internet options setup to enable scripting, Money User
> Manual will not open. Please don't tell me to disable my
> anti-virus and personal firewall; Microsoft COULD put the
> User Manual into a pfd format without much effort. I
> doubt that the Manual would fix the Passport screen
> hassle in any event.
> I guess my only advantage is that I am 65 years old and
> only have to put up with this hassle for a few more
> years. I do long for the good old days where my programs
> and files were self-contained in my computer and I could
> maintain my budget in relatively simple peace. It is
> almost enough to make a guy start encouraging the virus
> and worm generators.



  #-1  
Old 12-29-2003, 10:21 PM
Duane Gullixson
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Default Two problems with Money 2004

Have used Money successfully for three or four years
until: Money 2003 stopped downloading stock prices for
those few stocks I owned and was tracking in Money. I
decided to download free Money 2004 and try it to see if
it was the program or me. Money 2004 did download stock
prices. Conclusion: Microsoft uses separate URL'S for
Money 2003 and Money 2004. Question: Would Money 2004 URL
work with Money 2003 files? For fear of the answer I
decided to bite the bullet and give poor Microsoft the
$19.99 for the upgrade to 2004 just to get the stock
prices.

Now the problems:
One: Money 2004 added a new screen to get everyone to
sign up for a "Passport". "Sign In to Open Your Money
File". Never had to do that before; but now I have to go
through the hassle of clicking "Skip" (Passport sign-in)
just to get to my Money file. Sure I found the
instructions to go to "Password Manager" through "File"
menu and followed the instructions but they do not work:
Microsoft Money cannot cancel the Passport sign in no
matter how many times I disconnect and reconnect to the
internet.
Two: I decided to see what the Money User Manual had to
say about bypassing the Passport sign in screen. No such
luck; even though I checked the appropriate box in the
Internet options setup to enable scripting, Money User
Manual will not open. Please don't tell me to disable my
anti-virus and personal firewall; Microsoft COULD put the
User Manual into a pfd format without much effort. I
doubt that the Manual would fix the Passport screen
hassle in any event.

I guess my only advantage is that I am 65 years old and
only have to put up with this hassle for a few more
years. I do long for the good old days where my programs
and files were self-contained in my computer and I could
maintain my budget in relatively simple peace. It is
almost enough to make a guy start encouraging the virus
and worm generators.
 

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