When you say "the Alcoa Stock Fund [is] made up of stock and money" I find
your statement that "what connects them is the symbol (aa)" suspect. Be
careful here. Ours is kinda the same way and the Stock Fund does not exactly
match the performance of the stock itself because of the underlying cash
component. For this reason, I do not use the same investment but use
separate investments, and do not assign a symbol to the stock fund since
that a) can't be done because it'd be a duplicate symbol, and b) the stock
fund won't track the market value exactly.

Typically the cash is used by the fund manager to buffer volatility and
provide liquidity--this means that the stock fund doesn't go as far up on up
days nor as far down on down days. What this means is that if you use the
equivalent shares and do Buys and Sells for the stock fund at market prices
for AA, you will forever be having to enter Add/Remove Shares transactions
to stay at the equivalent shares balance. and your assertion that "if [you]
use [the reported equivalent shares] the value of the accout will be
accurate" will only be approximately true.

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I checked out both accounts. They are completely separate
and money is transferred from separate contribution
accounts. What connects them is the symbol (aa). When I
first set them up, I did not know that the Alcoa Stock
Fund was made up of stock and money and thought it was the
same share price as the Alcoa Stock I bought through the
employee stock option. Even though they are two separate
accounts, changine one changes the other. One thing that
helps is the Alcoa Stock Fund report always gives the
equivalent shares. So if I use that the value of the
accout will be accurate. I still my try your suggestion
of making another account and editing my buys. I thank
each one who gave input to my question. Charlie Zuck

Change whichever one has fewer transactions. One technique: for the account
where you are doing all of the investment changes on existing transactions,
create a huge (fake) Buy transaction of the original investment before any
other transactions. Then change all of the subsequent real transactions to
the different investment, then go back and delete the huge (fake) Buy. This
will prevent any sells in the collection from appearing to sell more shares
than you have as you go along making the changes.

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I think your understanding is correct. The Alcoa stock
(aa) is an entirely separate holding ouside of the 401k.
The Alcoa Stock Fund is under the umbrella of the 401k and
consists of stock and cash and does not have a symbol.
Because of this a share in this "mutual fund" is actually
higher than the Alcoa stock itself. I have had the Alcoa
stock less time, therefore it would be easier to try to
change the Alcoa Stock account in Money, unless you think
that won't work.
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Here is what I think you have. You have one account where you really
bought AA=Alcoa. There is a 401(k) account where you buy a basket of
stock and cash. Let's consider it a fund without a symbol.

If you have not done so far, create a "mutual fund" called "Alcoa
Fund" or whatever you choose. It should have no symbol

Go to the investments register for the 401(k). Change every
transaction there from a transaction in Alcoa, to a transaction in
Alcoa Fund. If you have Sell transactions and there is a problem
when you try to change a transaction, let us know. If you are not
doing Sell transactions, that will probably not occur.

When you later learn the price of Alcoa Fund, enter that manually by
going to the investment Details for Alcoa Fund and doing
UpdatePrices-> UpdatePricesManually.


It is possible that the vision I have of your positions is not
right. For example, what if your 401(k) really does contain actual
stock and actual cash not within a mutual fund. Then things would be
handled differently than what I described. You might review you
literature, ask fellow employees, or call the benefits people to ask
how things are actually organized.

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The Alcoa Stock Fund is an option in our 401k. It is made
up of Alcoa stock and a percentage of cash. The Alcoa
stock is purchased through payroll deduction. Since the
Stock fund is not strictly stock, the share price is
different than the Alcoa stock. From what you are saying,
I must have set something up wrong when I started. Can
you tell me exactly what I need to change? Thanks for
your patience.
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I'm coming in late, but it sounds like you have a problem from the way back
in that you should have buys in two separate investments, Alcoa stock with a
symbol and Alcoa Stock Fund, no symbol. You've combined these into only one
investment. The only way to undo this is going to be to create the second
investment and change every investment transaction for the stock fund to the
stock fund investment.

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I don't make sense of that sentence. Let's get the reality nailed
down. The stock is selling for about $34 per share. The symbol is
AA. It is a stock-- not a mutual fund.

You may have a mutual fund that is in an Alcoa-related account.
Perhaps the account name could be Alcoa Retirement Account etc.
There is not a publicly traded fund with Alcoa in the name. So it is
some private fund, or a public fund with a different name.



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So you are using two different contribution accounts. They both have
purchases of funds, or does one have purchases of Alcoa stock?

Suppose one has Buys, Dividends, etc of what you have named"Alcoa
Fund". The other would have Buys, Dividends, etc for a DIFFERENT
security. If you currently have entered Buys, Dividends, etc for the
same security in the two accounts and they are actually different,
you will need to change all of the transactions in one account.



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The stock fund does not have a symbol. When I tried to
remove the symbol from the fund Money removes it from the
fund also. I tried calling the one Alcoa Stock and the
other Alcoa Stock fund and also just plan Stock Fund and
Money makes the change it the Alcoa Stock too. I have two
separate contribution accounts where the money is
transfered from.
Help me on this one. I am not sure I understand what you
mean. Walk me through it.
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Alcoa stock would be a different security from an Alcoa Stock Fund.
The fund would either have a different symbol or no symbol at all.

Change all of the transactions in the 401k from transactions in the
stock to transactions in the fund. If you plan to do this and want
some help in doing that, say so on this thread.

I have both Alcoa stock and money in a 401k Alcoa Stock
Fund. The Stock Fund share price is not the same as the
Alcoa stock. I tried renaming one and Money 2003 renames
the othe as well. Is there any way to set these up to be
able to have separate share prices. I removed the ticker
symbol from one and Money removes it from the other.