Money 2006 password confusion

#5 02-03-2009, 02:54 PM

In microsoft.public.money, barry milliken wrote:

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> I went to the support page cited below.
> It offers 12 fixes (each involving lengthly steps.
> Step 7 worked: involved deleting cookies

Cool. Thanks for letting us know.

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> "Cal Learner-- MVP" <via_newsgroup[at]please.tnx> wrote in message
> news:8kheo4pt074s2hslurv78lv2mfrqq28kj1[at]4ax.com...
> > In microsoft.public.money, barry milliken wrote:
> > > > Ok so why can't I log in with my reset password?
> > > I dunno.
> > > http://support.microsoft.com/kb/891338/en-us may offer some
> > information for you. Maybe you are getting an error message listed
> > there. If not, what error message do you get?
> > > Your problem could be a software firewall problem. You may have
> > disabled cookies or some other setting in IE for MSN or Microsoft.
> > > > See 4 more places below.
> > > > > > "Dick Watson" <littlegreengecko[at]mind-enufalready-spring.com> wrote in
> > > message news:F3587DE5-AF60-4F77-9CC7-9D5CB29F474D[at]microsoft.com...
> > > > see inline below
> > > > > > > "barry milliken" wrote:
> > > > > > > > Meanwhile I'd like to understand:
> > > > > Is the password on the start page a local file password? or a Live ID
> > > > > password? (work offline is not selected).
> > > > > > > The presence of the email address as userid tells me it's the latter.
> > > > > > > > I clicked "reset password" which led me thru the reset of my Live Id
> > > > > password.
> > > > > Still can't get into money.
> > > Sigh. I hope that did not complicate things.
> > > > > > > > > > > What if the local money file password is different? I can't remember
> > > > > if
> > > > > I
> > > > > ever set a local file password.
> > > > > > > There can be only one or the other.
> > > And since you did the "reset password" thing, that would imply it
> > was not a local password. To log in offline, you will need to use
> > the password in effect when the file was made. Now you will be
> > wondering which is the right one to use.
> > > > > > > > > Working "online" I believe means there is a copy of all my data on a MS
> > > > > server somewhere.
> > > Not so. Log in at http://moneycentral.msn.com/stock_portfolio if
> > you want to see what is there. Also, whether you succeed at that may
> > help point to where your problem lies.
> > > > > > > But if my local file also has all my data, and I never want to access
> > > > > it
> > > > > from another computer, and I can download banking data, why work
> > > > > "online"?
> > > > > > > Because, in all likelihood, your ability to download banking data was
> > > > conditioned upon Money getting access to that data through MS servers
> > > > and
> > > > a
> > > > thing called "third party services". These are services that exist out
> > > > there
> > > > in Web land that "pretend" to be you and login to your FIs, just as you
> > > > would, and they "screen scrape" the web pages you would normally see
> > > > when
> > > > you
> > > > log into the FI's web site. They navigate to and select the data that
> > > > Money
> > > > expects to download and format it appropriately for that process. Some
> > > > of
> > > > this data, as well as your FI login credentials, end up stored on MS
> > > > servers
> > > > as this whole process unwinds.
> > > > > Money 2006 saves 4 backup files (*.mbf) on your hard drive by
> > default, plus it can schedule backups to other places. Restoring a
> > backup file may be your fix. I suggest that you copy your backup
> > files to other media before you proceed with other things.

#4 02-03-2009, 02:50 PM

I went to the support page cited below.
It offers 12 fixes (each involving lengthly steps.
Step 7 worked: involved deleting cookies

"Cal Learner-- MVP" <via_newsgroup[at]please.tnx> wrote in message
news:8kheo4pt074s2hslurv78lv2mfrqq28kj1[at]4ax.com...
- quote -

> In microsoft.public.money, barry milliken wrote:
> > Ok so why can't I log in with my reset password?
> I dunno.
> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/891338/en-us may offer some
> information for you. Maybe you are getting an error message listed
> there. If not, what error message do you get?
> Your problem could be a software firewall problem. You may have
> disabled cookies or some other setting in IE for MSN or Microsoft.
> See 4 more places below.
> > > "Dick Watson" <littlegreengecko[at]mind-enufalready-spring.com> wrote in
> > message news:F3587DE5-AF60-4F77-9CC7-9D5CB29F474D[at]microsoft.com...
> > > see inline below
> > > > > "barry milliken" wrote:
> > > > > > Meanwhile I'd like to understand:
> > > > Is the password on the start page a local file password? or a Live ID
> > > > password? (work offline is not selected).
> > > > > The presence of the email address as userid tells me it's the latter.
> > > > > > I clicked "reset password" which led me thru the reset of my Live Id
> > > > password.
> > > > Still can't get into money.
> Sigh. I hope that did not complicate things.
> > > > > > > What if the local money file password is different? I can't remember
> > > > if
> > > > I
> > > > ever set a local file password.
> > > > > There can be only one or the other.
> And since you did the "reset password" thing, that would imply it
> was not a local password. To log in offline, you will need to use
> the password in effect when the file was made. Now you will be
> wondering which is the right one to use.
> > > > > > Working "online" I believe means there is a copy of all my data on a MS
> > > > server somewhere.
> Not so. Log in at http://moneycentral.msn.com/stock_portfolio if
> you want to see what is there. Also, whether you succeed at that may
> help point to where your problem lies.
> > > > But if my local file also has all my data, and I never want to access
> > > > it
> > > > from another computer, and I can download banking data, why work
> > > > "online"?
> > > > > Because, in all likelihood, your ability to download banking data was
> > > conditioned upon Money getting access to that data through MS servers
> > > and
> > > a
> > > thing called "third party services". These are services that exist out
> > > there
> > > in Web land that "pretend" to be you and login to your FIs, just as you
> > > would, and they "screen scrape" the web pages you would normally see
> > > when
> > > you
> > > log into the FI's web site. They navigate to and select the data that
> > > Money
> > > expects to download and format it appropriately for that process. Some
> > > of
> > > this data, as well as your FI login credentials, end up stored on MS
> > > servers
> > > as this whole process unwinds.
> > Money 2006 saves 4 backup files (*.mbf) on your hard drive by
> default, plus it can schedule backups to other places. Restoring a
> backup file may be your fix. I suggest that you copy your backup
> files to other media before you proceed with other things.

#3 02-02-2009, 06:37 PM

Got me swinging.

Can you log into any other WLID sites/applications?

"barry milliken" wrote:

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> Ok so why can't I log in with my reset password?

#2 02-02-2009, 06:36 PM

In microsoft.public.money, barry milliken wrote:

- quote -

> Ok so why can't I log in with my reset password?

I dunno.

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/891338/en-us may offer some
information for you. Maybe you are getting an error message listed
there. If not, what error message do you get?

Your problem could be a software firewall problem. You may have
disabled cookies or some other setting in IE for MSN or Microsoft.

See 4 more places below.

- quote -

> "Dick Watson" <littlegreengecko[at]mind-enufalready-spring.com> wrote in
> message news:F3587DE5-AF60-4F77-9CC7-9D5CB29F474D[at]microsoft.com...
> > see inline below
> > > "barry milliken" wrote:
> > > > Meanwhile I'd like to understand:
> > > Is the password on the start page a local file password? or a Live ID
> > > password? (work offline is not selected).
> > > The presence of the email address as userid tells me it's the latter.
> > > > I clicked "reset password" which led me thru the reset of my Live Id
> > > password.
> > > Still can't get into money.

Sigh. I hope that did not complicate things.

- quote -

> > > > > What if the local money file password is different? I can't remember if
> > > I
> > > ever set a local file password.
> > > There can be only one or the other.

And since you did the "reset password" thing, that would imply it
was not a local password. To log in offline, you will need to use
the password in effect when the file was made. Now you will be
wondering which is the right one to use.

- quote -

> > > > Working "online" I believe means there is a copy of all my data on a MS
> > > server somewhere.

Not so. Log in at http://moneycentral.msn.com/stock_portfolio if
you want to see what is there. Also, whether you succeed at that may
help point to where your problem lies.

- quote -

> > > But if my local file also has all my data, and I never want to access it
> > > from another computer, and I can download banking data, why work
> > > "online"?
> > > Because, in all likelihood, your ability to download banking data was
> > conditioned upon Money getting access to that data through MS servers and
> > a
> > thing called "third party services". These are services that exist out
> > there
> > in Web land that "pretend" to be you and login to your FIs, just as you
> > would, and they "screen scrape" the web pages you would normally see when
> > you
> > log into the FI's web site. They navigate to and select the data that
> > Money
> > expects to download and format it appropriately for that process. Some of
> > this data, as well as your FI login credentials, end up stored on MS
> > servers
> > as this whole process unwinds.

Money 2006 saves 4 backup files (*.mbf) on your hard drive by
default, plus it can schedule backups to other places. Restoring a
backup file may be your fix. I suggest that you copy your backup
files to other media before you proceed with other things.

#1 02-02-2009, 05:43 PM

Ok so why can't I log in with my reset password?

"Dick Watson" <littlegreengecko[at]mind-enufalready-spring.com> wrote in
message news:F3587DE5-AF60-4F77-9CC7-9D5CB29F474D[at]microsoft.com...
- quote -

> see inline below
> "barry milliken" wrote:
> > Meanwhile I'd like to understand:
> > Is the password on the start page a local file password? or a Live ID
> > password? (work offline is not selected).
> The presence of the email address as userid tells me it's the latter.
> > I clicked "reset password" which led me thru the reset of my Live Id
> > password.
> > Still can't get into money.
> > > What if the local money file password is different? I can't remember if
> > I
> > ever set a local file password.
> There can be only one or the other.
> > Working "online" I believe means there is a copy of all my data on a MS
> > server somewhere.
> > But if my local file also has all my data, and I never want to access it
> > from another computer, and I can download banking data, why work
> > "online"?
> Because, in all likelihood, your ability to download banking data was
> conditioned upon Money getting access to that data through MS servers and
> a
> thing called "third party services". These are services that exist out
> there
> in Web land that "pretend" to be you and login to your FIs, just as you
> would, and they "screen scrape" the web pages you would normally see when
> you
> log into the FI's web site. They navigate to and select the data that
> Money
> expects to download and format it appropriately for that process. Some of
> this data, as well as your FI login credentials, end up stored on MS
> servers
> as this whole process unwinds.

02-02-2009, 04:21 PM

see inline below

"barry milliken" wrote:

- quote -

> Meanwhile I'd like to understand:
> Is the password on the start page a local file password? or a Live ID
> password? (work offline is not selected).

The presence of the email address as userid tells me it's the latter.

- quote -

> I clicked "reset password" which led me thru the reset of my Live Id
> password.
> Still can't get into money.
> What if the local money file password is different? I can't remember if I
> ever set a local file password.

There can be only one or the other.

- quote -

> Working "online" I believe means there is a copy of all my data on a MS
> server somewhere.
> But if my local file also has all my data, and I never want to access it
> from another computer, and I can download banking data, why work "online"?

Because, in all likelihood, your ability to download banking data was
conditioned upon Money getting access to that data through MS servers and a
thing called "third party services". These are services that exist out there
in Web land that "pretend" to be you and login to your FIs, just as you
would, and they "screen scrape" the web pages you would normally see when you
log into the FI's web site. They navigate to and select the data that Money
expects to download and format it appropriately for that process. Some of
this data, as well as your FI login credentials, end up stored on MS servers
as this whole process unwinds.

#-1 02-02-2009, 03:58 PM

I 've used Money for 3 years. Start page has login with userid (email) and
saved password (shown as dots) and has worked fine all this time. Now all
of a sudden I can't login.

(Maybe it's maintenance so I'll try later.)

Meanwhile I'd like to understand:
Is the password on the start page a local file password? or a Live ID
password? (work offline is not selected).

I clicked "reset password" which led me thru the reset of my Live Id
password.
Still can't get into money.

What if the local money file password is different? I can't remember if I
ever set a local file password.

Working "online" I believe means there is a copy of all my data on a MS
server somewhere.
But if my local file also has all my data, and I never want to access it
from another computer, and I can download banking data, why work "online"?

Barry

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