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| The MMF is an investment, much as a share of stock is. When you moved from Chase to JPM, you moved the investment from one account to another. Money has a way to do that between investment accounts. It cannot transfer an investment from a 'bank' account, because it doesn't see the bank account as an investment. The only way to accomplish this is by transferring the cash in the bank account to a new investment account. If you choose at that point, you can purchase the MMF. Personally, I wouldn't recommend that. Since MMF funds are always (you hope) valued at $1, it's essentially the same as cash. You can buy and sell the $1 MMF shares, if you want to, but it's not worth the hassle. All I do (and others here do the same) is hold cash in the cash side of investment account, and record MMF dividends in the investment transactions part. Money will gripe that you're recording dividends of an investment you don't own, but ignore that. It's not a requirement. When you get dividends, deposit them to the cash account. The balance in the cash account reflects the MMF balance. Alternatively, open an investment account without a separate cash account. You can deposit/withdraw directly from the account itself, in that case. That may better represent the MMF, but which you choose doesn't matter much. If you have online connections, the account structure created by the account manager pretty much dictates what you have to do. -- Chris Cowles Gainesville, FL "Marilyn & Bob" <Privacy[at]nospam.please> wrote in message news:OdyBgqyWJHA.4280[at]TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... - quote - > No this is not what happened. It is the exact same Money Market Fund, > same symbol, same everything. It's just that it was transferred from > being processed through my bank (Chase) to be processed the a > brokerage (JP Morgan Chase brokerage). It is no different than moving > an investment from one brokerage house to another. The problem is > that I did not set up the MMF as an investment, but as an account, so > I can't move it in Money. |
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| In microsoft.public.money, Marilyn & Bob wrote: - quote - > > I don't think there is a way to directly do that. You could
After the File-> Import, they would be in the cash transactions> > File-> Export the deposits and withdrawals from that bank account, > > and File-> Import into the cash transactions register. > Yes, but how do I then get all the transactions from the cash transactions > register to the investment account register? register of the investment account as they were in the bank account. - quote - > > > > account I'll just keep the MMF as a separate savings account and keep the
But closing the account differs from archiving in that the old> > > brokerage account empty. > > > How is that better than doing the Transfer of the full value to the > > cash transactions register of the brokerage account? > Only reason is that I would like to keep the continuity as everything is the > same (including my account number) except that it is now held by their > brokerage section, not their banking division. Closing the pre brokerage > account and transferring the money to a new investment account seems to me > like *archiving* and we know why we want to avoid that <g> . transactions are still there. A closed account is still accessible, except that you can hide or not hide it from view in the account list etc. |
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| "Cal Learner-- MVP" <via_newsgroup[at]please.tnx> wrote in message news:mqt0k4hl4tfk4uc37fop9o3nl1itbkv4k0[at]4ax.com... - quote - > In microsoft.public.money, Marilyn & Bob wrote:
You can't tempt me because Chase does not have a download feature (direct or> > Thanks for your quick response. Comments interspersed. > > > "Cal Learner-- MVP" <via_newsgroup[at]please.tnx> wrote in message > > news:5ua0k494ebop2rqg2ehg83oiiuvtfrm7l9[at]4ax.com... > > > In microsoft.public.money, Marilyn & Bob wrote: <<<SNIP> > > > As I said, I did and will do all the transactions manually, no > > downloading. > Downloads from brokers tend to be pretty reliable. Can't tempt ya. from the website) for its Investment Accounts, even though it has direct download for its bank and credit card accounts. Moreover, my main broker is Merrill Lynch and while they do provide downloads from their website, it doesn't work for me because of their poor coding. I have a Nuveen Municipal Mutual Fund with them that they classify as a Stock in their ofx file which complete screws up the whole download, so I can't use it. (I tried converting the Fund to a stock in Money, but it couldn't handle the internal Capital Gains transactions). I do download (direct) from Dreyfus (one mutual fund). - quote - > > I think that if there is no way to convert my bank account to an
Yes, but how do I then get all the transactions from the cash transactions> > investment > I don't think there is a way to directly do that. You could > File-> Export the deposits and withdrawals from that bank account, > and File-> Import into the cash transactions register. register to the investment account register? - quote - > > account I'll just keep the MMF as a separate savings account and keep the
Only reason is that I would like to keep the continuity as everything is the> > brokerage account empty. > How is that better than doing the Transfer of the full value to the > cash transactions register of the brokerage account? same (including my account number) except that it is now held by their brokerage section, not their banking division. Closing the pre brokerage account and transferring the money to a new investment account seems to me like *archiving* and we know why we want to avoid that <g> . - quote - > If you are
I'm not happy with it, but it looks like it's the best I can do. From> happy with the way you were doing it, you could just rename that > bank account to reflect that the money is now at the broker. hindsight, I should have set this up originally as a MMF, but it's obviously too late now. -- Peace, BobJ |
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| In microsoft.public.money, Marilyn & Bob wrote: - quote - > Thanks for your quick response. Comments interspersed.
Downloads from brokers tend to be pretty reliable. Can't tempt ya.> "Cal Learner-- MVP" <via_newsgroup[at]please.tnx> wrote in message > news:5ua0k494ebop2rqg2ehg83oiiuvtfrm7l9[at]4ax.com... > > In microsoft.public.money, Marilyn & Bob wrote: > > > > I have a Money Market Fund that I have been tracking in Money since 1996. > > > It averages about 25 transactions per year (a monthly reinvest dividend + > > > transfers in and out). As, at the time, the fund was not in a Brokerage > > > Account, but handled directly through my Bank, I chose to set it up as a > > > separate Bank Account in Money. Recently, one of their representatives > > > convinced me to move this Fund to a brokerage account with them. I've > > > set > > > up the Brokerage Account in Money and would like to put the MMF into it in > > > Money Plus Deluxe to reflect the current real life situation. Does anyone > > > have an idea how I can convert this account with 12 years of data from a > > > Bank Account to an Investment MMF so I can move it into the brokerage > > > account? Note that I have not (and will not) download data in this > > > account. > > > I enter all transactions manually. > > > The easiest way, and the way that will reflect what actually > > happened, is to do a Transfer from the bank account to the cash > > transactions of the broker account. Having done that, you can mark > > the bank account as Closed. > No this is not what happened. It is the exact same Money Market Fund, same > symbol, same everything. It's just that it was transferred from being > processed through my bank (Chase) to be processed the a brokerage (JP Morgan > Chase brokerage). It is no different than moving an investment from one > brokerage house to another. The problem is that I did not set up the MMF as > an investment, but as an account, so I can't move it in Money. > > > In the brokerage account, I would follow what method is being used > > in the downloads directly from the broker if you are downloading. If > > you download Buys and Sells downloaded, go with that. If you don't, > > let the balance in the cash transactions register reflect the sweep > > MMF balances in addition to the unsettled funds. > > > If you are doing hand entry, in the cash transactions for that > > account, do a Buy of the MMF. That will then remove the cash from > > the cash transactions register. > > As I said, I did and will do all the transactions manually, no downloading. - quote - > I think that if there is no way to convert my bank account to an investment
I don't think there is a way to directly do that. You couldFile-> Export the deposits and withdrawals from that bank account, and File-> Import into the cash transactions register. - quote - > account I'll just keep the MMF as a separate savings account and keep the
How is that better than doing the Transfer of the full value to the> brokerage account empty. cash transactions register of the brokerage account? If you are happy with the way you were doing it, you could just rename that bank account to reflect that the money is now at the broker. |
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| Thanks for your quick response. Comments interspersed. "Cal Learner-- MVP" <via_newsgroup[at]please.tnx> wrote in message news:5ua0k494ebop2rqg2ehg83oiiuvtfrm7l9[at]4ax.com... - quote - > In microsoft.public.money, Marilyn & Bob wrote:
No this is not what happened. It is the exact same Money Market Fund, same> > I have a Money Market Fund that I have been tracking in Money since 1996. > > It averages about 25 transactions per year (a monthly reinvest dividend + > > transfers in and out). As, at the time, the fund was not in a Brokerage > > Account, but handled directly through my Bank, I chose to set it up as a > > separate Bank Account in Money. Recently, one of their representatives > > convinced me to move this Fund to a brokerage account with them. I've > > set > > up the Brokerage Account in Money and would like to put the MMF into it in > > Money Plus Deluxe to reflect the current real life situation. Does anyone > > have an idea how I can convert this account with 12 years of data from a > > Bank Account to an Investment MMF so I can move it into the brokerage > > account? Note that I have not (and will not) download data in this > > account. > > I enter all transactions manually. > The easiest way, and the way that will reflect what actually > happened, is to do a Transfer from the bank account to the cash > transactions of the broker account. Having done that, you can mark > the bank account as Closed. symbol, same everything. It's just that it was transferred from being processed through my bank (Chase) to be processed the a brokerage (JP Morgan Chase brokerage). It is no different than moving an investment from one brokerage house to another. The problem is that I did not set up the MMF as an investment, but as an account, so I can't move it in Money. - quote - > In the brokerage account, I would follow what method is being used
As I said, I did and will do all the transactions manually, no downloading.> in the downloads directly from the broker if you are downloading. If > you download Buys and Sells downloaded, go with that. If you don't, > let the balance in the cash transactions register reflect the sweep > MMF balances in addition to the unsettled funds. > If you are doing hand entry, in the cash transactions for that > account, do a Buy of the MMF. That will then remove the cash from > the cash transactions register. I think that if there is no way to convert my bank account to an investment account I'll just keep the MMF as a separate savings account and keep the brokerage account empty. -- Peace, BobJ |
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| In microsoft.public.money, Marilyn & Bob wrote: - quote - > I have a Money Market Fund that I have been tracking in Money since 1996.
The easiest way, and the way that will reflect what actually> It averages about 25 transactions per year (a monthly reinvest dividend + > transfers in and out). As, at the time, the fund was not in a Brokerage > Account, but handled directly through my Bank, I chose to set it up as a > separate Bank Account in Money. Recently, one of their representatives > convinced me to move this Fund to a brokerage account with them. I've set > up the Brokerage Account in Money and would like to put the MMF into it in > Money Plus Deluxe to reflect the current real life situation. Does anyone > have an idea how I can convert this account with 12 years of data from a > Bank Account to an Investment MMF so I can move it into the brokerage > account? Note that I have not (and will not) download data in this account. > I enter all transactions manually. happened, is to do a Transfer from the bank account to the cash transactions of the broker account. Having done that, you can mark the bank account as Closed. In the brokerage account, I would follow what method is being used in the downloads directly from the broker if you are downloading. If you download Buys and Sells downloaded, go with that. If you don't, let the balance in the cash transactions register reflect the sweep MMF balances in addition to the unsettled funds. If you are doing hand entry, in the cash transactions for that account, do a Buy of the MMF. That will then remove the cash from the cash transactions register. |
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| I have a Money Market Fund that I have been tracking in Money since 1996. It averages about 25 transactions per year (a monthly reinvest dividend + transfers in and out). As, at the time, the fund was not in a Brokerage Account, but handled directly through my Bank, I chose to set it up as a separate Bank Account in Money. Recently, one of their representatives convinced me to move this Fund to a brokerage account with them. I've set up the Brokerage Account in Money and would like to put the MMF into it in Money Plus Deluxe to reflect the current real life situation. Does anyone have an idea how I can convert this account with 12 years of data from a Bank Account to an Investment MMF so I can move it into the brokerage account? Note that I have not (and will not) download data in this account. I enter all transactions manually. -- Peace, BobJ |
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