The home page is definitely the culprit.
My new "and improved" Money Plus wouldn't open AT ALL.
I had to create a NEW file to open the program, change the default opening
page to account list and THEN open my "real" file and it worked.

Didn't have to redo all the bills.

It's bad enough that Microsoft forces us to upgrade every 2 years, but it's
obnoxious when they force us to upgrade to something that doesn't work right.

--
David


"Cal Learner-- MVP" wrote:

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My daddy always told me to be careful what I wished for.

"Unnecessary Upgrade" <Unnecessary Upgrade[at]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote
in message news9951801-BB19-4DE4-8B3F-FEABFAEC287C[at]microsoft.com...
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"Cal Learner-- MVP" wrote:

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HOME page trim back to useless levels of info fixed my 5 minutes delay on
opening MoneyPlus (2008), down to about 30 seconds (still worse than the
instant login screen of MS2006.

I was also forced update from MSMoney2006, which was working fine.
Would have appreciated another option on "Upgrade". Since the new
'features' don't really interest me, just provide a $10 renew web features
option and save us this pain every 2 years.

On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 13:38:01 -0700, Dick Watson
<littlegreengecko[at]mind-enufalready-spring.com> wrote:

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That's about what I have, but no elaborate splits. But I have a bunch
of Apays, too.

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Fortunately for me I never had to actually do this. Cal suggested
another possible problem and it turned out to be the culprit. Once I
took the Spending Tracker off my Home page, Money opened even faster
than the older version. Couple of seconds vs. nearly a minute, even
with the Spending by Category graph showing. So my original probelm
is fixed.

However, I now realize I'm treading on thin ice with as many scheduled
bills and Apays as I have. Money *should* be able to handle these.
That's kind of why I use it. <g> But knowing the danger, I've saved
your responses for if (when?) I need that fix.

Thanks for your help!

I had over 100 scheduled bills, many with elaborate splits and so on. It took
about 10 hours of effort to get humpty dumpty back together again. (And I
used a mix of virtually all of the methods cited in the umpmfaq.) Luckily I
didn't have any Apays or the pain would have been greater.

Once I was done, it was well worth the effort. Sadly, after two plus years,
the improvement seems to be fading and I suspect in a year or two I may find
myself doing it all again.

As noted, I posted the info in the umpmfaq to make darn sure that anybody
who goes down that path knows what they are getting into and understands some
of the traps laid my Microsoft with their advice that a bills report solves
all. I also provide a number of hints as to ways to make the process easier.
I don't recommend it. But I surely don't recommend you not consider it. (And
I'm not polyanna about recommending against features. I recommend against
file archivng and transaction downloading for newbies.)

That having been said, were I you, I would still try it on a COPY of your
file. Nuke The Bills. Then open the file and wander about. Enter a
transaction or two. If your experience is similar to many others' you will be
amazed at the difference it makes.

But if you think that difference is worth the effort, you will still have to
re-enter all of your scheduled bills data and straighten some other stuff out
besides. And there's no way to sugar coat that.

"Grouch" wrote:

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On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 11:43:16 -0500, Cal Learner-- MVP
<via_newsgroup[at]please.tnx> wrote:


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Thanks, Cal. This did the trick. I had tried both the Quick and
Standard Repair Money File options with no change.

Then I noticed that things got slow whenever I went to the home page -
starting up or returnning to it later.

I removed Spending by Category and Spending Tracker and things are
back to normal. Funny how this worked quickly in Money 2006 on a much
slower computer. Ah, progress...

On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 13:41:01 -0700, Dick Watson
<littlegreengecko[at]mind-enufalready-spring.com> wrote:

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"You will have to re-enter ALL of your scheduled bills data. You will
have to go in and fix your Advanced Budget. Lifetime Planner, which
may depend on Advanced Budget if you set it up to do so, will likely
be wrong until you get your Advanced Budget sorted out. Further,
Lifetime Planner will need to have income re-associated with scheduled
paychecks if you had it use them to define your income. All the
historic entries on your Bill Calendar will be lost as well. Finally,
you will have to delete all scheduled Apays and re-create them."

I've thought this over. Adding the annoying lag time I'm seeing in
Money 2008 up, I could run it for a year or so before it would
approach the amount of time it would take to recreate all my
information. For now I'll open Money, do something else, and come
back when it's finally loaded.

Kudos to MS for a wonderful, user considerate fix. NOT!!!

And real thanks to you for the warning about using Nuke the Bills. I
might have tried it. otherwise. I shudder thinking about it.

Oh, that's your problem. Money is optimized...

"For PCs with Windows XP:

"Pentium II 300-MHz or faster processor (or compatible).
128 MB of RAM."

(Hard to imagine what Money with a decent sized data file would run like on
that kind of machine... An unconcious snail on Vallium?)

"Grouch" wrote:

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You sound like a perfect candidate for "Nuke The Bills." I do not "recommend"
it--but I do provide lots of information on what's involved at
http://umpmfaq.info/faqdb.php?q=187. Before getting commited to it, I'd
surely try it in a COPY of your file to see if it helps your symptoms.

It's a pretty sad situation that Microsoft could provide this method in the
app but not fix the underlying problems with the app that create these
"corruptions" in the first place. But there it is.

"Grouch" wrote:

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In microsoft.public.money, Grouch wrote:

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I would first go to Tools-> Settings-> ProgramSettings and set the
(GeneralDisplayStartMoneyWithThisPageOpen:Accoun tList

That should speed up your starting, since it sounds as if the
"home" page is probably associated with the slowness.

Then Tools-> Settings-> HomePageDisplayOptions and Remove the
BillsAndDeposits and SpendingTracker modules. If you still have a
problem when you go to the "home" page, remove all modules. If the
problem goes away, you can add things back until the crash does not
happen. Add back in the other things you want on the home page.
Let us know which was the problem module.

Another thing that can affect the responsiveness of Money in not
just opening, but other operations, is a corrupted Bill.

File-> Repair-> RemoveAllBillsData

This Remove All Bills Data feature would be for people who have
experienced their Money file to run excessively slow.

To get some information within the program,
File-> Repair-> RemoveAllBillsData
Read the information. Then click cancel.

Before proceeding, make an extra copy or backup of your file
in case you want to undo something.

The problem will be that if you remove all bills, you will probably
want to add at least some of your bills back. This can be done
manually with the aid of the reports that you print out before
removing the bills.

A technique that could help simplify re-entering your bills
afterward would be to go your register and selecting a
representative instance of your past bill and selecting "Make
Recurring" (Ctrl+E). This would be especially helpful if the bill
is complex, such as involving a split.

I got the dreaded notice that I needed to update so that I could
continue my services. Was running 2006. No problems. Upgraded to
Money Plus 2008. I really am using just the basic features for now.

It takes *forever* to open. Once I do an online update and it
completes, it takes about twice or three times as long to return
control to me as 2006 did.

Any way to speed it up? I'm running Vista on a not too ancient dual
core 2.2 GHz with 4 GB RAM.