"Bob Peel, MVP" <bob_peel[at]kiandra.freeserve.co.uk.INVALID> wrote:
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Hey, that's my line.

R.P.

There's so many examples of bad design that I have given up all hope of
their being fixed. :-(

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"Dick Watson" <littlegreengecko[at]mind-enufalready-spring.com> wrote in
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You mean like you didn't end up re-creating the bills completely by hand?
Sure. If you could "export" then "import" them--all of their data, not just
the limited amount that the report prints--then maybe that would be
"better". But still a crutch for bad design somewhere else in the program
that should be fixed instead.

"Bob Peel, MVP" <bob_peel[at]kiandra.freeserve.co.uk.INVALID> wrote in message
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It wouldn't be so bad if MS automated the process. I wouldn't mind doing an
auto-Nuke once a quarter - say!

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"Dick Watson" <littlegreengecko[at]mind-enufalready-spring.com> wrote in
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Well, it is what it is. But you might still want to at least test a copy of
your file in a version M07 or newer with Nuke The Bills to see if it has the
same dramatic effect for you it has had for many others. If you want to
change Money being slow in saving data, that is.

"R. P." <r_pol12gar[at]hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"Dick Watson" <littlegreengecko[at]mind-enufalready-spring.com> wrote:
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Yes, I did, but didn't like the procedure; too much work and risky.

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So what are we to do then? I think I'll be looking for a better designed
alternate program with similar functionality.

R. P.

I'm getting that feeling as time goes on as well. You'd sure think they
**could** make the app clean up after itself better along the way...

"Bob Peel, MVP" <bob_peel[at]kiandra.freeserve.co.uk.INVALID> wrote in message
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Dick, I have a feeling that Nuking the Bills is a one time fix but with no
ongoing benefit. The problem with the bills will, IMHO, start building up
again and at some stage one will have to perform another Nuke! :-(

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"Dick Watson" <littlegreengecko[at]mind-enufalready-spring.com> wrote in
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See comments inline.

"R. P." <r_pol12gar[at]hotmail.com> wrote in message
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No one has ever reported a performance increase from archiving. No one has
ever reported any worthwhile effect from archiving. Many of us Just Say No
to archiving for these and lots of other reasons.

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No. Did you read the link I sent you to?

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There are probably many of these kinds of issues in the Money database
design. It goes back to '92.

"Dick Watson" <littlegreengecko[at]mind-enufalready-spring.com> wrote in
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I have not noticed major performance improvement though after I archived
last year's data and saved it in a separate file. This amounts to nuking
the bills, right? My experience is that Money does not handle frequently
repeating similar transactions, such as ATM withdrawals. Those take
forever to register but the infrequent deposits are registering fast.
This definitley suggest some type of inefficient DB indexing problem
just like indexing large news group discussion threads in OE. I used to
work with databases a lot a few years ago, and have seen this type of
behavior often. It usually required a redesign of the DB.

R. P.

Surely the database is the issue. My experience was that Nuke The Bills made
a huge improvement. That improvement seems to be disappearing with time.


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"Dick Watson" <littlegreengecko[at]mind-enufalready-spring.com> wrote:
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I have a feeling that the gradual performance degradation might be
caused by the database structure used to store data. I see the same kind
of degradation in Outlook Express which tends to take longer and longer
time to catch-up a larger news group. I suspect the same db structure is
used there too, to store and index the data.

R. P.

I don't know that the answer its that simple or I would have recommended it.
Some people have real technical issues with M05 or higher. Others have
emotional issues with M05 (less so with higher versions). Nuke the bills
might not even solve the issue you came here with and even if it does it is
not a simple thing to go do if you have more than a few very simple
scheduled bills. Consider yourself advised. It's all I can do.

At any rate, to your comment, it SHOULD find your file and upgrade it to the
new versions format since it was the most recently used and the installer
looks for that in the older version's metadata. It does NOT "import" the
data. "Import" in Money's context is for a totally different and unrelated
operation. Always keep copies and backups. Never take anything for granted.

"R. P." <r_pol12gar[at]hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"Dick Watson" <littlegreengecko[at]mind-enufalready-spring.com> wrote:
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Oh, then I might as well just cough up the money for the latest version
and install that. I'm just not sure if it would automatically find and
import the data from the old install.

R.P.

I would consider trying this: download and install, on a separate machine if
possible or in a separate directory--and be sure you have media to reinstall
M04 and do this SOON before Microsoft makes the service patches
disappear--the M+ trial version. Open a COPY of your data file with M+. Try
the Nuke the Bills tool. (See http://umpmfaq.info/faqdb.php?q=187 for more
info.) Then try entering data in your file. If it's remarkably faster, this
may point a direction for you. It's one that will force you to M07 or M+,
But if it gets you the performance improvement you seek, it MAY be
worthwhile. But read http://umpmfaq.info/faqdb.php?q=187 again before doing
anything rash.

"R. P." <r_pol12gar[at]hotmail.com> wrote in message
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I've seen a lot of complaints about slow reporting but my problem is the
slowness of saving new billing or withdrawal entries. Recording deposits
is usually much faster. I guess the number of that type of transaction
may have to so something with it. Anybody else having similar problems?
I use Money 2004, std edition.

R.P.