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Old 06-28-2008, 07:18 PM
Cal Learner-- MVP
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In microsoft.public.money, PTH wrote:

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> Regarding average cost basis, you are right. And since MONEY will average
> cost basis of same stock (same name) across all accounts:
> Its fine if all accounts are held by the same individual;
> But if one uses a single file for entire family finance, and same investment
> is held by multiple individuals, I have to name the stock differently (i.e.
> IBM (DAD); IBM (MOM) etc.


True. However only one of them can have the real symbol to have
quotes fetched. :-(
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Old 06-28-2008, 04:18 PM
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> On a different topic, basis for the same security in the US is
> per-account. In Canada the tax folks average basis across all
> accounts, if I understand correctly. You might experiment to see how
> Money 2006 is treating it for you.
> > > thanks


Cal,

Thanks for confirming the "Grandfather bug".

I can't even find MONEY Essential at Canadian Best Buy. Perhaps MS is
planning to give up on us as a market?

Time to change to QUICKEN?

Regarding average cost basis, you are right. And since MONEY will average
cost basis of same stock (same name) across all accounts:

Its fine if all accounts are held by the same individual;

But if one uses a single file for entire family finance, and same investment
is held by multiple individuals, I have to name the stock differently (i.e.
IBM (DAD); IBM (MOM) etc.

thanks
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Old 06-27-2008, 05:49 PM
Cal Learner-- MVP
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Default Re: MONEY06 Return of Capital Calculation

In microsoft.public.money, Cal Learner-- MVP wrote:

TYPO CORRECTION
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> Money Plus Deluxe <error was here> . If you downloaded the Money Plus Deluxe
> trial you should read the warning that it is sold in the US only. It
> should be able to convert your file fine, but you would then commit
> to buying the non-trial after the


Money Plus Deluxe *CAN* convert previous US or Canadian files,
but.....
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Old 06-27-2008, 05:44 PM
Cal Learner-- MVP
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Default Re: MONEY06 Return of Capital Calculation

In microsoft.public.money, PTH wrote:

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> Cal, thanks for the confirmation. A follow up:
> I tried to download the new MONEY but alas, it won't install. Perhaps
> because I am from Canada and the new version is U.S. only?


Complicated. Essentials is sold in Canada. Essentials will not
convert *any* previous Money file.

Money Plus Deluxe cannot. If you downloaded the Money Plus Deluxe
trial you should read the warning that it is sold in the US only. It
should be able to convert your file fine, but you would then commit
to buying the non-trial after the

Now if you still want help installing, check back. It may not be the
way you want to go in Canada.

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> Appreciate if someone with the new 08 MONEY can try and see if the same bug
> exist or is it fixed. If fixed, I can upgrade.


It is a grandfathered bug (in the common sense of the "bug" word).
Changing the behavior in the future would be welcome.

On a related thing, I fairly recently read that in the US certain
fees (e.g., depository fees) for a particular security (ADR/ADS)
should be added to the basis of the security. The OtherExpense
reduces the performance calculations, but it does not carry to
increasing the basis.

On a different topic, basis for the same security in the US is
per-account. In Canada the tax folks average basis across all
accounts, if I understand correctly. You might experiment to see how
Money 2006 is treating it for you.


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> thanks
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Old 06-27-2008, 02:41 PM
PTH
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Default Re: MONEY06 Return of Capital Calculation

Cal, thanks for the confirmation. A follow up:

I tried to download the new MONEY but alas, it won't install. Perhaps
because I am from Canada and the new version is U.S. only?

Appreciate if someone with the new 08 MONEY can try and see if the same bug
exist or is it fixed. If fixed, I can upgrade.

thanks

 
Old 06-27-2008, 03:38 AM
Cal Learner-- MVP
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Default Re: MONEY06 Return of Capital Calculation

In microsoft.public.money, PTH wrote:

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> The Return of Capital activity for Investment is a good one, except:
> I enter a positive return of capital when mutual funds do a return of
> capital distribution.
> I also need to use the Return of Capital activity for reinvestment of
> distribution. For this I enter a NEGATIVE return of capital.
> The Portfolio view cvalculates the positive and negative return of capital
> correctly as can be demonstrated with the adjustment in the cost basis after
> a return of capital.
> However, if one sells the investment and go to capital gains report. The
> Cap gains report ignores the negative return of capital and calculates the
> gain/loss wrong when a negative return of capital is present.
> QUESTIONS: Is there any work around to over come the cap gains calculation
> error?


That is a long-standing behavior that I would certainly call a bug.

No easy workaround. You could manually adjust the purchase(s). :-(

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Old 06-27-2008, 12:22 AM
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Default MONEY06 Return of Capital Calculation

The Return of Capital activity for Investment is a good one, except:

I enter a positive return of capital when mutual funds do a return of
capital distribution.

I also need to use the Return of Capital activity for reinvestment of
distribution. For this I enter a NEGATIVE return of capital.

The Portfolio view cvalculates the positive and negative return of capital
correctly as can be demonstrated with the adjustment in the cost basis after
a return of capital.

However, if one sells the investment and go to capital gains report. The
Cap gains report ignores the negative return of capital and calculates the
gain/loss wrong when a negative return of capital is present.

QUESTIONS: Is there any work around to over come the cap gains calculation
error?

thanks

 

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