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"John Pollard" <invalid[at]invalid.com> wrote in message
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A trial is a lot less hassle.

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The last time I looked it depended on specifically formatted Money reports
exported to XML. Having extracted data from Money this way, I can say with
certainty that LOTS of data will get left behind since there is no way with
Money to report it. This is Microsoft's fault--but as long as that's Q's
only import method, it is what it is.

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60DMBG and trial version are decidedly not the same thing. Steve said "no
trial". I believe you are confirming he is correct in this.

The prime reason that Q has 80% and M < 20% is that Q was out there first
and the barriers to migration--either way--are pretty high. It has nothing
to do with which users are smart vs. which are stupid. And, yes, it's pretty
obvious why they Intuit doesn't feel like spending a dime to attract M
users.

SteveC wrote:
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I'll assume you are serious.

Quicken has a 60 day money back guarantee.

And Quicken has some Money to Quicken conversion capability (I
think the degree of success depends on the Quicken/Money
versions involved, and the user's desire to convert).

In as much as Quicken has an 80% market share (gee, do you think
all those Quicken users are stupid, and all the Money users know
better?), why should Intuit spend any significant amount of
money to seduce Money users ... who don't even know that there
is a Quicken 60 day money back guarantee?

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John Pollard
First initial underscore Last name at mchsi dot com
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"Vastmasd" <email[at]invalid.ok> wrote in message news:69n70hF32mvo8U1[at]mid.individual.net...

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If by 'new installation' you mean the program, but not changing the data file, I don't think it will change much.
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Chris Cowles
Gainesville, FL

On Wed, 21 May 2008 18:51:21 -0400,while reading
"microsoft.public.money", I'm almost definitely certain I heard ""Chris
Cowles" <spam_magnet[at]remove-me-bellsouth.net> " say:

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I'm using Money 2004 which I'm not aware has a 'nuke the bills'
function.

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I'm very confident my backups will work. I've occasionally done a new
Money install after re-installing WinXP Pro or Win 2000 its predecessor.
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Erik Vastmasd

And note that "nuke the bills" assumes M07 or higher. Might be an excuse to
upgrade, but try it A COPY of your data file and with an M+ trial version
first and BY ALL MEANS know what you are getting into before you leap. See
http://umpmfaq.info/faqdb.php?q=187 for more on Nuke The Bills.

"Chris Cowles" <spam_magnet[at]remove-me-bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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"Vastmasd" <email[at]invalid.ok> wrote in message
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Consider instead the 'nuke the bills' function. It clears a considerable
amount of dreck from the database, but messes up Advanced Budget, if you use
that.

Backup first, of course, and test the restoration process to make sure the
backup really worked.

"Vastmasd" <email[at]invalid.ok> wrote in message news:69hu5pF32vmilU1[at]mid.individual.net...

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Consider instead the 'nuke the bills' function. It clears a considerable amount of dreck from the database, but messes up Advanced Budget, if you use that.

Backup first, of course, and test the restoration process to make sure the backup really worked.
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Chris Cowles
Gainesville, FL

On Tue, 20 May 2008 12:01:48 -0400,while reading
"microsoft.public.money", I'm almost definitely certain I heard "Hula
Baloo <eepyeep[at]nospam.juno.com> " say:

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I loved Quicken and first used it when it came on floppy disks. :-)

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I became disillusioned with Quicken and switched to Money 2004 which I
have been very happy with.

Although lately Money has been very slow which I think maybe due to its
database being very large and I have been contemplating giving the
existing installation the flick and doing a completely new install of
Money 2004, though still keeping a backup of my existing installation on
my backup computer.

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I haven't received a suggestion or a demand from Microsoft that I should
upgrade my Money 2004. ;-)
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Erik Vastmasd

Quicken's been around a lot longer than Money, that's probably got a lot
to do with its larger user group. And it used to be a truly easy to use
fantastic product. These days it's like a Christmas tree that's got so
many ornaments hung on it, it almost falls over from the weight. Plus
you used to be able to keep a working version until YOU were ready to
upgrade, not forced into it every 3 years by Intuit. MS of course no
better, forcing you to upgrade every TWO years. Greed and bureaucracy
seem common to both company's management. :-(
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From: "Chris Cowles" <spam_magnet[at]remove-me-bellsouth.netNewsgroups: microsoft.public.money
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2008 8:28 PM
Subject: Re: Money vs Quicken comparison anyone? Especially interested in
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"SteveC" <sconklan.nospam.yahoo.com> wrote in message
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I would try Quicken if they had a free 60-day download and a converter the
way Money does for Quicken. Quicken never seems interested in getting
Money
users to try their product.

I think Money's market share is small, relative to Quicken. Intuit's
marketing efforts are probably more effective when targeting users who
don't
use anything at all.
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Chris Cowles
Gainesville, FL




Chris Cowles wrote:
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"SteveC" <sconklan.nospam.yahoo.com> wrote in message news:9CAFE415-29F1-43CD-A1D3-514125316EC2[at]microsoft.com...
I would try Quicken if they had a free 60-day download and a converter the way Money does for Quicken. Quicken never seems interested in getting Money users to try their product.

I think Money's market share is small, relative to Quicken. Intuit's marketing efforts are probably more effective when targeting users who don't use anything at all.
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Chris Cowles
Gainesville, FL

I would try Quicken if they had a free 60-day download and a converter the way Money does for Quicken. Quicken never seems interested in getting Money users to try their product.

"Aviator" <Aviator[at]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:14C87745-2921-4032-98A0-2CBE90668C36[at]microsoft.com...
I am a Quicken to Money convert and, so far, am pleased with Money. As
someone else said, each has its pros and cons.

As much as I like Money, I found Quickens handling of bill pay and
reconciliation to be superior to Money. I found it easier to use and more
intuitive.

However, I use PFM software for much more than just paying bills and
reconciling checking/savings accounts. I find Money to be better in just
about every other feature, especially investment tracking.




"Hula Baloo" wrote:

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I am a Quicken to Money convert and, so far, am pleased with Money. As
someone else said, each has its pros and cons.

As much as I like Money, I found Quickens handling of bill pay and
reconciliation to be superior to Money. I found it easier to use and more
intuitive.

However, I use PFM software for much more than just paying bills and
reconciling checking/savings accounts. I find Money to be better in just
about every other feature, especially investment tracking.




"Hula Baloo" wrote:

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cnet does comparing both programs, check there
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Dick Watson wrote:
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Quicken on my machine. Quicken is better in some ways and then also,
Money is better in some ways, Neither is perfect for me. I use my
bank to pay bills (free). Money imports for me OK. Money 08 does not
convert Quicken 08 files.

I'm not sure you will get any great responses except from the few switchers
who came this direction. It takes so much effort to do a meaningful cross
evaluation that few of us who've had acess to Q have done much more than
start it and look around a little.

There are, from time to time, users who come here from Q and say, either,
"gee this is so much better than Q" or "gee this sucks, I'm going back to Q".

"Hula Baloo" wrote:

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Is there someone here who can compare Money to Quicken? The trade rags
I've read seem to indicate Money is as good as or better than Quicken. Can
anyone comment on that? I've been using Quicken since 1990 and seen Intuit
go from a first class great company with a fantastic product in Quicken to a
company that seems to've past its peak and gotten out of touch. While MS is
certainly not immune to mediocracy and bureaucracy itself, my experience
with Quicken Deluxe 2008 (after 18 years as a very happy Quicken user) has
given me a fresh incentive to take a serious look at Money. I've downloaded
the 60 day free trial version, and have just joined this newsgroup in an
attempt to educate myself in this area. I've seen both Intuit and MS do
great and not so great things, but in my recent experience Intuit has taken
the cake in the not so great direction.
All I want is a product that can maintain my checking register while
providing online bill payment with ease and stability. Anyone who can
provide a comparison will be highly appreciated.