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| Thanks all for your advices; I decided to take the easy way: I am ignoring the switch to the "Money market" and keep adding the monthly interest in the "cash account". I do not deal with millions of $ so it is not a big deal. Thanks again Fritzly "Cal Learner-- MVP" <via_newsgroup[at]please.tnx> wrote in message news:vkpm04h97n2jg8jeda4tg0h929n6k1h4ev[at]4ax.com... - quote - > In microsoft.public.money, Steve wrote: > > > Most likely, Ameritrade is temporarily investing your cash in an in- > > house security: > > * You put $1000 in your account. > > * Ameritrade immediately buys 1000 shares of "Money Market" (MM). > > * A few days later, they sell the MM shares and buy $1000 worth of > > Amalgamated Sprocket (AS), as you told them to. > > * AS declares a dividend the next week and you make $250. > > * The $250 is deposited to the cash account. > > * Ameritrade immediately buys 250 shares of MM. > > * Ameritrade sells the 250 shares of MM and buys $250 worth of AS, since > > you told them to reinvest dividends. > > > They've probably been doing this all along, but recently changed the > > statements. My broker, Ameriprise, did this awhile back. > > > What you can do about it: > > 1. Track every purchase and sale of MM. > > 2. Ignore the MM transactions and pretend to yourself that they are > > cash. > > > I chose #2. I tried for awhile to track the purchases, but it got to be > > very involved. I gave up the tracking, and I just remember when I > > balance the statement to ignore the MM transactions. > Nice writeup. > Note that some broker downloads follow mostly number 2, and some of > those add a dividend transaction for the MMF rather than an interest > payment. The side effect is there is the apparently ultra-high yield > security. :-) > I think it's best to download and go along with the method that > broker uses-- even tho it is not the ideal or may not match the > method you use in another account. That is one advantage to not > downloading: you can do everything to a single consistent "right" > method. I have no problem using various "right" methods. |
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| In microsoft.public.money, Steve wrote: - quote - > Most likely, Ameritrade is temporarily investing your cash in an in-
Nice writeup.> house security: > * You put $1000 in your account. > * Ameritrade immediately buys 1000 shares of "Money Market" (MM). > * A few days later, they sell the MM shares and buy $1000 worth of > Amalgamated Sprocket (AS), as you told them to. > * AS declares a dividend the next week and you make $250. > * The $250 is deposited to the cash account. > * Ameritrade immediately buys 250 shares of MM. > * Ameritrade sells the 250 shares of MM and buys $250 worth of AS, since > you told them to reinvest dividends. > They've probably been doing this all along, but recently changed the > statements. My broker, Ameriprise, did this awhile back. > What you can do about it: > 1. Track every purchase and sale of MM. > 2. Ignore the MM transactions and pretend to yourself that they are > cash. > I chose #2. I tried for awhile to track the purchases, but it got to be > very involved. I gave up the tracking, and I just remember when I > balance the statement to ignore the MM transactions. Note that some broker downloads follow mostly number 2, and some of those add a dividend transaction for the MMF rather than an interest payment. The side effect is there is the apparently ultra-high yield security. :-) I think it's best to download and go along with the method that broker uses-- even tho it is not the ideal or may not match the method you use in another account. That is one advantage to not downloading: you can do everything to a single consistent "right" method. I have no problem using various "right" methods. |
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| In microsoft.public.money, Fritzly wrote: - quote - > Thanks for your super fast reply; the "problem" is that now the TD monthly > statements show no transactions in the account Money records in the "cash > register". They added a new account called "Money Market" which, in the TD > statement, is listed in the "Security Positions" segment together with the > stocks I own but also under the "Money Balance summary"; this means that I > am unable to to reconcile the account because, in Money, the "cash register" > correctly reports $0 value ( the money was moved to the Money Market) but > the TD statement treats the newly created account as a "cash" one which > shows the cash amount I have plus monthly interests and dividends I receive. > I do not update my accounts online, I do it manually; yes I am a little bit > paranoid. :-) By hand, the easy way is to not enter Buy and Sell transactions for the "Money Market". Do not enter a transfer to move the money. Enter an interest income item monthly if you are paid. Enter an investment interest transaction if you pay margin interest at some time. If you are to continue entering by hand, that is the method of choice. Now you could enter Buy and Sell and Dividend transactions for an investment called "Money Market". With a classic money market, that is fairly common for download -- depending on the broker. It varies. I wouldn't like to enter those by hand tho. A normally-zero balance makes it much easier to find a longer-term discrepancy. You seem describe a more complex method where you do Transfer to a separate "Money Market" account. That does not seem to offer advantage over the simpler way of having a non-zero balance in the cash transactions account. I wonder if T+3 and T+1 transaction settlement might somehow mess up your analysis and balancing to your paper statement. While you have unsettled trades, the cash transactions would be non-zero for the interval. Probably not messing you up, but just an idea to consider. http://www.investopedia.com/ask/answers/03/061303.asp http://www.investorwords.com/4514/settlement_date.html What makes you paranoid about downloading? TD Ameritrade has their own OFX server system, so downloads go directly from TD Ameritrade to Money. No third party involved. You might have to adjust things a bit, but that is generally significantly easier than entering all of the data yourself. - quote - > Have a nice week-end. > Fritzly > "Cal Learner-- MVP" <via_newsgroup[at]please.tnx> wrote in message > news:srgl04hm6l2ggudhqtg2lh0echckhf83df[at]4ax.com... > > In microsoft.public.money, Fritzly wrote: > > > > I have brokerage account at Ameritrade; I created it in Money 2008 and > > > now, > > > under "Investments Accounts" I have an Ameritrade account that includes a > > > "cash" and an "Investments" ones. My problem is that lately TD Ameritrade > > > created a "Money Market" account where any cash amount is transferred > > > until > > > reinvested in stocks. What I would like to do is to add a new "account" > > > to > > > the Ameritrade group but I have not found a way to do it. Money help > > > advise > > > to enter the amount withdrawn from the "cash" account to the "Investments" > > > one but to me it does not seem an optimal solution also because I should > > > keep adding the monthly interest to the "Investments" account and it does > > > not make much sense. > > > When you just download transactions, what happens? Each Buy > > decreased the CashTransactions account balance, and Sell or Dividend > > increases the CashTransactions account balance. > > > The thing you want to describe is what transactions get downloaded > > regarding the "Money Market" account. Are they monthly only or each > > time you have a transaction? Are the monthly "Money Market" > > transactions downloaded as Reinvest Dividend, or Interest > > transactions ? > > > Based on that info, we can think about how to handled this most > > easily. Note there were two specific questions asked in the previous > > paragraph. > > > |
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| "Fritzly" <Fritzly[at]nospam.msn.com> wrote on 19 Apr 2008 in group microsoft.public.money: - quote - > I have brokerage account at Ameritrade; I created it in Money 2008
Most likely, Ameritrade is temporarily investing your cash in an in-> and now, under "Investments Accounts" I have an Ameritrade account > that includes a "cash" and an "Investments" ones. My problem is that > lately TD Ameritrade created a "Money Market" account where any cash > amount is transferred until reinvested in stocks. What I would like > to do is to add a new "account" to the Ameritrade group but I have > not found a way to do it. Money help advise to enter the amount > withdrawn from the "cash" account to the "Investments" one but to me > it does not seem an optimal solution also because I should keep > adding the monthly interest to the "Investments" account and it does > not make much sense. house security: * You put $1000 in your account. * Ameritrade immediately buys 1000 shares of "Money Market" (MM). * A few days later, they sell the MM shares and buy $1000 worth of Amalgamated Sprocket (AS), as you told them to. * AS declares a dividend the next week and you make $250. * The $250 is deposited to the cash account. * Ameritrade immediately buys 250 shares of MM. * Ameritrade sells the 250 shares of MM and buys $250 worth of AS, since you told them to reinvest dividends. They've probably been doing this all along, but recently changed the statements. My broker, Ameriprise, did this awhile back. What you can do about it: 1. Track every purchase and sale of MM. 2. Ignore the MM transactions and pretend to yourself that they are cash. I chose #2. I tried for awhile to track the purchases, but it got to be very involved. I gave up the tracking, and I just remember when I balance the statement to ignore the MM transactions. -- Steve B. New Life Home Improvement |
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| Thanks for your super fast reply; the "problem" is that now the TD monthly statements show no transactions in the account Money records in the "cash register". They added a new account called "Money Market" which, in the TD statement, is listed in the "Security Positions" segment together with the stocks I own but also under the "Money Balance summary"; this means that I am unable to to reconcile the account because, in Money, the "cash register" correctly reports $0 value ( the money was moved to the Money Market) but the TD statement treats the newly created account as a "cash" one which shows the cash amount I have plus monthly interests and dividends I receive. I do not update my accounts online, I do it manually; yes I am a little bit paranoid. :-) Have a nice week-end. Fritzly "Cal Learner-- MVP" <via_newsgroup[at]please.tnx> wrote in message news:srgl04hm6l2ggudhqtg2lh0echckhf83df[at]4ax.com... - quote - > In microsoft.public.money, Fritzly wrote: > > I have brokerage account at Ameritrade; I created it in Money 2008 and > > now, > > under "Investments Accounts" I have an Ameritrade account that includes a > > "cash" and an "Investments" ones. My problem is that lately TD Ameritrade > > created a "Money Market" account where any cash amount is transferred > > until > > reinvested in stocks. What I would like to do is to add a new "account" > > to > > the Ameritrade group but I have not found a way to do it. Money help > > advise > > to enter the amount withdrawn from the "cash" account to the "Investments" > > one but to me it does not seem an optimal solution also because I should > > keep adding the monthly interest to the "Investments" account and it does > > not make much sense. > When you just download transactions, what happens? Each Buy > decreased the CashTransactions account balance, and Sell or Dividend > increases the CashTransactions account balance. > The thing you want to describe is what transactions get downloaded > regarding the "Money Market" account. Are they monthly only or each > time you have a transaction? Are the monthly "Money Market" > transactions downloaded as Reinvest Dividend, or Interest > transactions ? > Based on that info, we can think about how to handled this most > easily. Note there were two specific questions asked in the previous > paragraph. |
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| In microsoft.public.money, Fritzly wrote: - quote - > I have brokerage account at Ameritrade; I created it in Money 2008 and now,
When you just download transactions, what happens? Each Buy> under "Investments Accounts" I have an Ameritrade account that includes a > "cash" and an "Investments" ones. My problem is that lately TD Ameritrade > created a "Money Market" account where any cash amount is transferred until > reinvested in stocks. What I would like to do is to add a new "account" to > the Ameritrade group but I have not found a way to do it. Money help advise > to enter the amount withdrawn from the "cash" account to the "Investments" > one but to me it does not seem an optimal solution also because I should > keep adding the monthly interest to the "Investments" account and it does > not make much sense. decreased the CashTransactions account balance, and Sell or Dividend increases the CashTransactions account balance. The thing you want to describe is what transactions get downloaded regarding the "Money Market" account. Are they monthly only or each time you have a transaction? Are the monthly "Money Market" transactions downloaded as Reinvest Dividend, or Interest transactions ? Based on that info, we can think about how to handled this most easily. Note there were two specific questions asked in the previous paragraph. |
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| I have brokerage account at Ameritrade; I created it in Money 2008 and now, under "Investments Accounts" I have an Ameritrade account that includes a "cash" and an "Investments" ones. My problem is that lately TD Ameritrade created a "Money Market" account where any cash amount is transferred until reinvested in stocks. What I would like to do is to add a new "account" to the Ameritrade group but I have not found a way to do it. Money help advise to enter the amount withdrawn from the "cash" account to the "Investments" one but to me it does not seem an optimal solution also because I should keep adding the monthly interest to the "Investments" account and it does not make much sense. TIA Fritzly |
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