In microsoft.public.money, Hubertus Bigend wrote:

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So, for example, you tried Money Plus standard file repair level 1
on your *.m11 and took the output of that process and tried to open
it in the Money 2004 trial.

If you purchase Money Plus, you might contact Microsoft support to
see if they have a solution. You would probably do well to have a
list of what you already tried.

See below.

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No. You can look at the QIF files with a text editor such as
Notepad. The records are normally chronological.

If you want to do the QIF export/import, I would follow the steps
in http://support.microsoft.com/default...b;en-us;178830
except in the first step 4, I would suggest this: start the name of
the QIF file for the investment accounts with an underscore (_),
and start the name of QIF files for the cash accounts associated
with the investments with a letter. Thus you might have
_BrownInvestment.qif and BrownInvestmentCash.qif. This would cause
the investment account to be processed prior to the associated cash
account. When the BrownInvestment got created, you would specify
that you want to track the cash transactions. Then specify that
the cash transactions account for BrownInvestment was where the
BrownInvestmentCash.qif transactions get sent.

Then File-> Import ALL AT ONCE using Ctrl+<click> to select files.
Specify "New or Recovered" account when asked.

Of course you will use a different filename for the new file, and
you will have both versions to choose from when done. I would also
set up the backups to make sure they are using different names.

If you choose to do the QIF export, several things will not come
across, but you would have a very clean file.

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No success.

I've tried every conceivable variation of that, and all that I've achieved
is that it returns an error message instantly, rather than hanging up for a
few minutes.

I've gone through all procedures that were suggested, but no success.

I have seen no problems like mine in all my searches across the Net, so I
assume it is uniquely mine, not typical to 2003 upgraders.

I've tried something new, and will start a new thread, but I will ask you,
too:

I've begun exporting the various 2003 accounts in QIF, and importing them
into 2008. However, about half the items don't show the dates. Any idea why?


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In microsoft.public.money, Hubertus Bigend wrote:

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Another thing to try would be to convert the original file or the
original file that has been thru the level 1 repair, and see if
Money 2004 can serve as an intermediate conversion for you.

Even tho the symptoms and cause not match your situation,
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/919524 has a link to a US Money 2004
trial that may serve as that intermediate step. Follow the steps of
Method 1 of the workaround. And of course you would substitute Money
Plus where it says Money 2006.

Keep a scorecard to track which files are which, or establish a
naming system to track which is which.


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Thanks for staying on this with me.

Taking the basic file and running a Level 1 repair on it worked. It put out
a repaired file that I gave a new name.

Yeah, I tried both of course. Then I put the new corrected file that
resulted from the initial repair, and tried to put that through Level 2. It
won't do it.

I've also attempted to take the basic file, and just run a Level 2 repair on
it. That didn't work either.

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In microsoft.public.money, Hubertus Bigend wrote:

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That's certainly promising.

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I am unclear which file you are operating on in that step-- the file
you had input to the repair, or the output of the level 1 repair.
Whichever it was, I would try the other.


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Ok.

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There is another file that you might bring into the picture: the
*.m11 that Money 2008 saved as a copy of your Money 2003 file before
attempting the conversion. That could be of use too. I would copy
that to a *.mny file with a unique name and try repairs on that too.

That repaired file (if successful) should be able to be opened with
Money 2003 or converted to a later version.

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I can select the file, and do a Level 1 Repair. I save the selected file to
a new name.

Then I select the file that I repaired using Level 1 (Quick Repair) and
choose to do a Level 2 Repair (standard) after which I immediately get the
following error message:

"The utility could not repair your file. Repair a different version of your
file, restore a back-up file, or re-install Money. You should also make sure
your file is not saved as read-only.(0x800a144e)"

None of them are Read-Only. I've also tried to restore my 2003 Back-Up file
into 2008, but that didn't work. I just installed Money 2008, so I don't
think that's the problem either.


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In microsoft.public.money, Hubertus Bigend wrote:

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What do you mean by that last sentence?




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Bummer, that didn't help either.

I did various repairs, various levels, in different orders, and no luck. It
will not permit me to do a Level 2 repair.



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An interesting development!

I've now TWICE left the software run uninterupted while it was unresponsive
during the Conversion process. After two hours (or something like that) of
being left alone, I would get this final error message:

"A communication error occured. Please try your call again. If you continue
to have problems call your financial institution's Online Services Customer
Support."

I don't know why in the middle of conversion from a 2003 file to the neweest
format it would try to connect to an outside data source. Is this an odd
unrelated error message?

Anyone?




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I have to admit this is growing beyond my skillset. I am a photographer, so
converting it to different database formats may be harder than just
accepting Quicken as the new home.

I casually tried the same thing in 2006 and 2007, but each time figured "oh,
it's not working, but it's not important right now... If I needed to I could
probably figure it out." Now it's 2008 and I've decided that I need to get
off 2003... and it's not working.

Anyone else? Anyone ever encounter this issue and subsequently found a
noob-compatible solution?

In microsoft.public.money, Hubertus Bigend wrote:

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It does, but in a different form -- salv.exe in the install folder.

The Money Plus File-> RepairMoneyFile-> StandardFileRepair level 2 can
make a repaired version of a Money 2003 file also, and that would be
newer.

"Hubertus Bigend" <hubigend[at]gmail.com> wrote on 05 Jan 2008 in group
microsoft.public.money:

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A corrupt transaction can occur in any database system. The database
software will record the data in a format that it can read and write, but
not in the standard format. This is usually an oversight (commonly known
as a "mistake") by the original programmers of the database. It only
occurs when you hold your mouth right, so most people never see it. You
apparantly have an advanced degree in mouth-holding .

When another utility, like a version converter, reads the database file,
assuming every transaction followed the format rules strictly, it can hang
on the bad transaction. This problem is actually one lazy programmer
following another. The first didn't verify the database entry, and the
second didn't bother to either compensate for a known problem or give you
an explanatory error message.

I seem to recall a major Money database format change around 2004. I think
they converted from Jet to Access. Everyone complained that the file size
ballooned and performance nosedived. On the other hand, you could use
Access to get your Money data (I seem to recall). You might try converting
to a slightly newer version of Money, then converting that to 2008.

--
Steve B.
New Life Home Improvement

Hmmm.... I only have the newest version of Quicken 08, my new version of
Money says it doesn't support it. I need to open it in Q 06 or older... I
don't have one, and I don't even know if Quicken files are backwords
compatible.

There's got to be another solution though.


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Good advice on the Throwaway Files, I've definitely been doing that.

Money 2003 doesn't have the File Repair Tools, and my file won't open in
2008, so that seems to be a no-go.

The files definitely converted successfully to Quicken 08, so maybe
reimporting them into Money might work... strikes me as an odd way to go,
though. I will try it anyway.

What constitutes a Corrupt Transaction?


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"Hubertus Bigend" <hubigend[at]gmail.com> wrote on 05 Jan 2008 in group
microsoft.public.money:

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My experience is that this is usually due to a corrupted transaction
somewhere. You have several ways to solve the problem.

0) Back up your file. Do all your experimenting with a throw-away copy
of your data.

1) Run the first- and second-level file repair tools. Sometimes this
fixes the problem. Do them separately.

2) Find the bad transaction. Delete one account, then try to convert. If
it works, you found the right account. Now start over and delete half
the transactions in that account. Try to convert. If it works, you
narrowed down your search. Start over again and delete half of what you
deleted before. Try to convert. Repeat until you get it down to one bad
transaction. Delete that transaction and re-enter it. Heaven help you if
you have more than one bad transaction.

3) Export each account to a QIF file, then re-import them into a new
Money database. This has the advantage that you will have a nice, shiny,
squeaky-clean database when you're done. Money will run like new. See
other threads for the procedure.

4) Import your data into Quicken, then import that into Money. This
depends on which version of Quicken you bought. Each version of Money
only works with last years' version of Quicken, because Money comes out
first each year. You'll have to set up all your automated and
personalized stuff again.

These things are long shots:
Clean up your system in general by deleting temporary files and purging
internet browser caches.

Run a CHKDSK on your hard drive and check your RAM for problems.

Reinstall Money.

--
Steve B.
New Life Home Improvement

Hi everyone.

We have been using Money 2003 Deluxe (V. 11) for several years, and have
been with Money even prior to that. After several notifications that our
version is no longer being supported, we have decided to move to the newest
version, Money 2008 Plus Deluxe.

Both are the US versions of the software. The 2003 has been running on a
number of XP systems, and one Vista PC.

As context, we consider ourselves relatively advanced users. We're
relatively competent with PCs, as well accounting software. We move data
around all the time, and know how to back it up. We have a large family, so
our data file has grown to include over 30 active and inactive Bank Accounts
(some in $ and others €), 20 Credit Card Accounts, around 10 Investment
Accounts, 5 Loan Accounts, and 8 Asset Accounts. We also use it to track
Frequent Flyer Points from 7 different sources, and have a Home Inventory
List with over 100 entries... all this not to somehow impress anyone, but
rather to give some background on the size and complexity of the file (35
MB) ... also, my wife is a CPA, so what can I say... we keep pretty tight
records :-)

Supposedly the Upgrade/Conversion path is simple and automated. Find the old
file, Open it, and it should go through it's own conversion process. In
order to test everything, I copied and renamed our primary and back-up
files.

I open the file in 2008, it prompts me for my Live log-in (successfully) and
then there's a quick back-up prompt that I've configured to allow.

Next I get back to a Sign-In screen to grant me access to my existing 2003
file, and again I sign in via Live ID - no problem there either.

The it says Opening Money file, followed by a Progress Bar called Converting
file... working....

But nothing happens.

I've let it run for as long as an hour, without success. Occasionally Vista
will ask if it should shut it down or wait for a response from the
application, and I will tell it to keep on waiting.

So now what? I've gone back into 2003 and created a file without passwords
to online accounts. That doesn't seem to have made a difference either.

There must be a solution! We've been at this for several weeks now, and have
gone so far as to buy Quicken (eek!) - no problem converting to Quicken, but
I can't get into Money. It's frustrating, because it's an app that is really
important to us, and with which we have a lot of familiarity.

Can anyone here help? What am I missing? What do I need to check? What am I
doing wrong?

Thanks in advance for any help that might be offered,

Hube