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Old 01-06-2008, 02:33 PM
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Default Re: how to record the return of principal when a bond matures

If you are done with the bond... for SAVINGS bonds, what I (was told to)
do is:
(assume: buy $100 bond for $75 , eventually worth $100+ ( if kept PAST
maturity))

I post the buy for $75. I update price in Portfolio view as time goes
by.
Whenever I sell it , I register interest income for the difference and
sell it for $75.
So no losss/no gain - just interest income. Come tax time I have to KNOW
that it's not a capital gain/loss sale (sched D) and merely interest
(sched B).



"Christian" <Christian[at]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:0746A3F3-B97A-40F1-B90A-52DC8622A735[at]microsoft.com...
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> Thanks. I have tried this but it does not work. It adds the capital to
> my
> cash account but the bond value and quantity is still remains - ?
> Suddenly I
> just got much richer....
> --
> Cheers.
> Christian
> "Dick Watson" wrote:
> > There is a Return of Capital investment activity...
> > > "Christian" <Christian[at]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> > news:75CA3A95-DB74-447D-9C66-E618DA9E53C9[at]microsoft.com...
> > > I have a bond investment that matured on Jan 1 2008. The principal
> > > amount
> > > has
> > > now been returned to my bank account. How do I record this in my
> > > investment
> > > transactions?
> > >

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Old 01-05-2008, 07:00 PM
Cal Learner-- MVP
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In microsoft.public.money, Dick Watson wrote:

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> So how do you value the security in these cases?

Many are publicly traded and have symbols, so they would be easy.
For an S corp, I guess an accountant would be necessary.


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> "Cal Learner-- MVP" <via_newsgroup[at]please.tnx> wrote in message
> news:nkivn3hbl977adk6n606cnmmgnau7f118c[at]4ax.com...
> > In microsoft.public.money, Dick Watson wrote:
> > > > Yah. So, when the basis goes to $0 because they sent you your money back
> > > but
> > > you still have the piece of paper, what's that? (I think this is more or
> > > less the OPs case.)
> > > That piece of paper (not a bond) can still pay you distributions.

> > You can sell it for a non-zero amount. MLPs (and I think maybe
> > S-corps) work this way in that you can have at least some of the
> > distributions that reduce basis (as low but no lower than zero) but
> > are not taxable.

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Old 01-05-2008, 06:27 PM
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Default Re: how to record the return of principal when a bond matures

So how do you value the security in these cases?

"Cal Learner-- MVP" <via_newsgroup[at]please.tnx> wrote in message
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> In microsoft.public.money, Dick Watson wrote:
> > Yah. So, when the basis goes to $0 because they sent you your money back
> > but
> > you still have the piece of paper, what's that? (I think this is more or
> > less the OPs case.)

> That piece of paper (not a bond) can still pay you distributions.
> You can sell it for a non-zero amount. MLPs (and I think maybe
> S-corps) work this way in that you can have at least some of the
> distributions that reduce basis (as low but no lower than zero) but
> are not taxable.



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Old 01-05-2008, 05:25 PM
Cal Learner-- MVP
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Default Re: how to record the return of principal when a bond matures

In microsoft.public.money, Dick Watson wrote:

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> Yah. So, when the basis goes to $0 because they sent you your money back but
> you still have the piece of paper, what's that? (I think this is more or
> less the OPs case.)


That piece of paper (not a bond) can still pay you distributions.
You can sell it for a non-zero amount. MLPs (and I think maybe
S-corps) work this way in that you can have at least some of the
distributions that reduce basis (as low but no lower than zero) but
are not taxable.


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> "Cal Learner-- MVP" <via_newsgroup[at]please.tnx> wrote in message
> news:0uavn3pd5db2a2phk70ogcnkt474d66kcu[at]4ax.com...
> > In microsoft.public.money, Dick Watson wrote:
> > > > A straight Sell works too. Of course that brings to mind the question: why
> > > is there, then, the Return of Capital activity in the first place?
> > > > > Return of capital is for when the basis goes down as they return

> > cash, but you still own the security.

>
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Old 01-05-2008, 05:07 PM
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Default Re: how to record the return of principal when a bond matures

Yah. So, when the basis goes to $0 because they sent you your money back but
you still have the piece of paper, what's that? (I think this is more or
less the OPs case.)

"Cal Learner-- MVP" <via_newsgroup[at]please.tnx> wrote in message
news:0uavn3pd5db2a2phk70ogcnkt474d66kcu[at]4ax.com...
- quote -

> In microsoft.public.money, Dick Watson wrote:
> > A straight Sell works too. Of course that brings to mind the question: why
> > is there, then, the Return of Capital activity in the first place?
> > Return of capital is for when the basis goes down as they return

> cash, but you still own the security.



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Old 01-05-2008, 03:10 PM
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Default Re: how to record the return of principal when a bond matures

In microsoft.public.money, Dick Watson wrote:

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> A straight Sell works too. Of course that brings to mind the question: why
> is there, then, the Return of Capital activity in the first place?


Return of capital is for when the basis goes down as they return
cash, but you still own the security.

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Old 01-05-2008, 10:02 AM
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Default Re: how to record the return of principal when a bond matures

A straight Sell works too. Of course that brings to mind the question: why
is there, then, the Return of Capital activity in the first place?


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Old 01-05-2008, 10:00 AM
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Default Re: how to record the return of principal when a bond matures

It is always helpful to mention what you've already tried...

What I have done in the past is Return of Capital followed by Sell for $0.

"Christian" <Christian[at]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
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- quote -

> Thanks. I have tried this but it does not work. It adds the capital to my
> cash account but the bond value and quantity is still remains - ? Suddenly
> I
> just got much richer....



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Old 01-05-2008, 06:32 AM
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In microsoft.public.money, Christian wrote:

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> Thanks. I have tried this but it does not work. It adds the capital to my
> cash account but the bond value and quantity is still remains - ? Suddenly I
> just got much richer....


You did a Buy of a bond originally, and you later did a Sell of the
same "Quantity" (the face value) of the same bond. I would then
expect you to have zero remaining.

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Old 01-05-2008, 05:15 AM
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In microsoft.public.money, Christian wrote:

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> I have a bond investment that matured on Jan 1 2008. The principal amount has
> now been returned to my bank account. How do I record this in my investment
> transactions?


Enter a Sell.

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Old 01-05-2008, 04:00 AM
Christian
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Default Re: how to record the return of principal when a bond matures

Thanks. I have tried this but it does not work. It adds the capital to my
cash account but the bond value and quantity is still remains - ? Suddenly I
just got much richer....
--
Cheers.
Christian


"Dick Watson" wrote:

- quote -

> There is a Return of Capital investment activity...
> "Christian" <Christian[at]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:75CA3A95-DB74-447D-9C66-E618DA9E53C9[at]microsoft.com...
> > I have a bond investment that matured on Jan 1 2008. The principal amount
> > has
> > now been returned to my bank account. How do I record this in my
> > investment
> > transactions?

 
Old 01-05-2008, 12:08 AM
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Default Re: how to record the return of principal when a bond matures

There is a Return of Capital investment activity...

"Christian" <Christian[at]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:75CA3A95-DB74-447D-9C66-E618DA9E53C9[at]microsoft.com...
- quote -

> I have a bond investment that matured on Jan 1 2008. The principal amount
> has
> now been returned to my bank account. How do I record this in my
> investment
> transactions?



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Old 01-04-2008, 03:04 PM
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Default how to record the return of principal when a bond matures

I have a bond investment that matured on Jan 1 2008. The principal amount has
now been returned to my bank account. How do I record this in my investment
transactions?
--
Cheers.
Christian
 

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