Money Keeps Running

#16 11-09-2007, 06:23 PM

I think the key is whether or not I can start Money again without having to
resort to finding the process with Task Manager and killing it. All the rest
is details.

"Brent" <undefined> wrote in message
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> The key to whether the process is hung or merely operating in background
> is if the .LRD locking file is present. When operating in background the
> process only locks the file while updating.

#15 11-09-2007, 05:58 PM

The key to whether the process is hung or merely operating in background
is if the .LRD locking file is present. When operating in background
the process only locks the file while updating.

#14 11-09-2007, 04:03 PM

Dick Watson wrote:
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> OK I guess I'm a believer.
> Why does it terminate sometimes--indeed, most times--when one exits Money
> and not others? Why does it elect to not terminate only when some TBD
> interaction occurs during the on-exit backup? Why haven't __they__ fixed
> it??!?!?!?????!? Especially if __they__ know what's going on so well?

Ummmm... I don't know? I can only pass on the information I've received
and my experiences with the process

--

kindler chase
www.nCubed.com

#13 11-09-2007, 03:30 PM

OK I guess I'm a believer.

Why does it terminate sometimes--indeed, most times--when one exits Money
and not others? Why does it elect to not terminate only when some TBD
interaction occurs during the on-exit backup? Why haven't __they__ fixed
it??!?!?!?????!? Especially if __they__ know what's going on so well?

"Kindler Chase" <support[at]DeLeTeMe-ncubed-dot-com> wrote in message
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> It is a background worker process; if it has nothing to do, then it will
> just sit there in the background. There are other process that are
> related to this worker such as reminders, portfolio updates, etc...
> I do believe I got far enough through support to discuss this with a
> qualified support person

#12 11-09-2007, 03:14 PM

On Fri, 09 Nov 2007 09:48:29 -0600, Kindler Chase
<support[at]DeLeTeMe-ncubed-dot-com> wrote:

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> Ron Rosenfeld wrote:
> > On Fri, 09 Nov 2007 00:01:25 -0600, Kindler Chase
> > <support[at]DeLeTeMe-ncubed-dot-com> wrote:
> > > > I've discussed the msnoney.exe process that stays alive after you close
> > > the app with MS Money support (the top level support after you go
> > > through 2 or 3 other front-liners).
> > > > > In summary, this is the process that runs in the background to retrieve
> > > your online account information when Money is running. Once you close
> > > Money, the process remains alive and continues to update your accounts.
> > > > > Personally, I have a kill process script that ends the process when my
> > > nightly system back-up runs. It's been 9 months or so since I've been
> > > killing the process nightly and no problems to date.
> > > > > You can safely end the msnoney.exe process if you don't want it to run
> > > in the background when Money is closed. This comes directly from MS
> > > Money support.
> > > > > HTH's
> > > That may be, but my Money program is set up to only retrieve information when I
> > ask for it, not continuously.
> > > In addition, this background process does NOT continue to run UNLESS I change
> > focus away from Money while it is doing its backup.
> > > Finally, IF the process does not close down, I cannot open Money (I get an
> > error message that money is open, and it cannot re-open it).
> > > So it is not a matter of "if I don't want" it to be running. Rather it is a
> > problem where I MUST close it down in order to be able to re-open Money!
> > --ron
> I'm not saying you do have other processes retrieving information in the
> background by Money; rather, who really knows what other tasks Money
> runs in the background

> From your description, this sounds like the process is hanging and may
> be corrupted. If you haven't already done so, take a look at the online
> support related to the process and see if any of them provide some
> insight to your problem:
> http://support.microsoft.com/search/...y.exe&spid=870

No, they do not.

Also, since the problem is common to so many other people, I think it unlikely
there is a corrupted process.

It is easily reproducible by the steps I outlined.
--ron

#11 11-09-2007, 02:57 PM

I see the Money Is Already Running thing on M07 all of the time.

"Bob Peel, MVP" <bob_peel[at]kiandra.freeserve.co.uk.INVALID> wrote in message
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> Dick, I think this is a new M+ aka M2008 "feature! :-(

#10 11-09-2007, 02:48 PM

Ron Rosenfeld wrote:
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> On Fri, 09 Nov 2007 00:01:25 -0600, Kindler Chase
> <support[at]DeLeTeMe-ncubed-dot-com> wrote:
> > I've discussed the msnoney.exe process that stays alive after you close
> > the app with MS Money support (the top level support after you go
> > through 2 or 3 other front-liners).
> > > In summary, this is the process that runs in the background to retrieve
> > your online account information when Money is running. Once you close
> > Money, the process remains alive and continues to update your accounts.
> > > Personally, I have a kill process script that ends the process when my
> > nightly system back-up runs. It's been 9 months or so since I've been
> > killing the process nightly and no problems to date.
> > > You can safely end the msnoney.exe process if you don't want it to run
> > in the background when Money is closed. This comes directly from MS
> > Money support.
> > > HTH's
> That may be, but my Money program is set up to only retrieve information when I
> ask for it, not continuously.
> In addition, this background process does NOT continue to run UNLESS I change
> focus away from Money while it is doing its backup.
> Finally, IF the process does not close down, I cannot open Money (I get an
> error message that money is open, and it cannot re-open it).
> So it is not a matter of "if I don't want" it to be running. Rather it is a
> problem where I MUST close it down in order to be able to re-open Money!
> --ron

I'm not saying you do have other processes retrieving information in the
background by Money; rather, who really knows what other tasks Money
runs in the background

From your description, this sounds like the process is hanging and may
be corrupted. If you haven't already done so, take a look at the online
support related to the process and see if any of them provide some
insight to your problem:
http://support.microsoft.com/search/...y.exe&spid=870

--

kindler chase
www.nCubed.com

#9 11-09-2007, 02:40 PM

Dick Watson wrote:
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> Color me skeptical about that answer.
> I suspect you didn't get through anywhere near enough layers of Support yet
> on this one. Mere mortals can't get to somebody who's authorized to know
> what's really going on with this "feature".
> I also do NOT update any accounts with online information yet I see this
> "feature" all of the time.

It is a background worker process; if it has nothing to do, then it will
just sit there in the background. There are other process that are
related to this worker such as reminders, portfolio updates, etc...

I do believe I got far enough through support to discuss this with a
qualified support person

--

kindler chase
www.nCubed.com

#8 11-09-2007, 01:27 PM

Dick, I think this is a new M+ aka M2008 "feature! :-(

--
Regards
Bob Peel,
Microsoft MVP - Money

For UK tips & fixes see
http://support.microsoft.com/default...d=fh;EN-GB;mny.

I do not respond to any emails that I have not specifically asked for.

"Dick Watson" <littlegreengecko[at]mind-enufalready-spring.com> wrote in
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> Color me skeptical about that answer.
> I suspect you didn't get through anywhere near enough layers of Support
> yet on this one. Mere mortals can't get to somebody who's authorized to
> know what's really going on with this "feature".
> I also do NOT update any accounts with online information yet I see this
> "feature" all of the time.
> "Kindler Chase" <support[at]DeLeTeMe-ncubed-dot-com> wrote in message
> news:OrXIlXpIIHA.3848[at]TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> > In summary, this is the process that runs in the background to retrieve
> > your online account information when Money is running. Once you close
> > Money, the process remains alive and continues to update your accounts.

#7 11-09-2007, 11:39 AM

Color me skeptical about that answer.

I suspect you didn't get through anywhere near enough layers of Support yet
on this one. Mere mortals can't get to somebody who's authorized to know
what's really going on with this "feature".

I also do NOT update any accounts with online information yet I see this
"feature" all of the time.

"Kindler Chase" <support[at]DeLeTeMe-ncubed-dot-com> wrote in message
news:OrXIlXpIIHA.3848[at]TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
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> In summary, this is the process that runs in the background to retrieve
> your online account information when Money is running. Once you close
> Money, the process remains alive and continues to update your accounts.

#6 11-09-2007, 10:45 AM

On Fri, 09 Nov 2007 00:01:25 -0600, Kindler Chase
<support[at]DeLeTeMe-ncubed-dot-com> wrote:

- quote -

> I've discussed the msnoney.exe process that stays alive after you close
> the app with MS Money support (the top level support after you go
> through 2 or 3 other front-liners).
> In summary, this is the process that runs in the background to retrieve
> your online account information when Money is running. Once you close
> Money, the process remains alive and continues to update your accounts.
> Personally, I have a kill process script that ends the process when my
> nightly system back-up runs. It's been 9 months or so since I've been
> killing the process nightly and no problems to date.
> You can safely end the msnoney.exe process if you don't want it to run
> in the background when Money is closed. This comes directly from MS
> Money support.
> HTH's

That may be, but my Money program is set up to only retrieve information when I
ask for it, not continuously.

In addition, this background process does NOT continue to run UNLESS I change
focus away from Money while it is doing its backup.

Finally, IF the process does not close down, I cannot open Money (I get an
error message that money is open, and it cannot re-open it).

So it is not a matter of "if I don't want" it to be running. Rather it is a
problem where I MUST close it down in order to be able to re-open Money!
--ron

#5 11-09-2007, 05:01 AM

Ron Rosenfeld wrote:
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> On Wed, 7 Nov 2007 08:03:52 -0700, "Dick Watson"
> <littlegreengecko[at]mind-enufalready-spring.com> wrote:
> > No known fixes. I don't think it's been reported on M+, but don't recall if
> > we know whether it was explicitly "improved" (the Money team never "fixes"
> > anything since there are no "defects").
> > > When you see it go into Task Manager and End Process msmoney.exe. I've had
> > to do that quite a number of times and have seen no negative results.
> > Yes, I've done that also. But I'm a bit fearful of messing things up, and
> having a subtle error creep in that I don't discover until after a few days, at
> which time I'll have made lots of entries and online payments.
> <sigh
I've discussed the msnoney.exe process that stays alive after you close

the app with MS Money support (the top level support after you go
through 2 or 3 other front-liners).

In summary, this is the process that runs in the background to retrieve
your online account information when Money is running. Once you close
Money, the process remains alive and continues to update your accounts.

Personally, I have a kill process script that ends the process when my
nightly system back-up runs. It's been 9 months or so since I've been
killing the process nightly and no problems to date.

You can safely end the msnoney.exe process if you don't want it to run
in the background when Money is closed. This comes directly from MS
Money support.

HTH's

--

kindler chase
www.nCubed.com

#4 11-07-2007, 08:19 PM

So much for that theory.

"Al Malone" <w1qe.4[at]earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> Dick Watson wrote:
> > No known fixes. I don't think it's been reported on M+
> > Money + Deluxe has the same "feature"

#3 11-07-2007, 07:33 PM

Dick Watson wrote:
- quote -

> No known fixes. I don't think it's been reported on M+, but don't recall if
> we know whether it was explicitly "improved" (the Money team never "fixes"
> anything since there are no "defects").
> When you see it go into Task Manager and End Process msmoney.exe. I've had
> to do that quite a number of times and have seen no negative results.
> "Ron Rosenfeld" <ronrosenfeld[at]nospam.org> wrote in message
> news:9qe3j35krmif8t40lu7oqgcujj3eb9nug7[at]4ax.com...
> > This has been reported here before. I'm wondering if there is any fix
> > (other
> > than to go get a cup of coffee while Money does its backup and closes).
Money + Deluxe has the same "feature"

Al

#2 11-07-2007, 03:38 PM

MoneyPlus (M+ for short) is the marketing endorsed official name for what we
might reasonably have expected would have been called Money 2008 but wasn't.

"Ron Rosenfeld" <ronrosenfeld[at]nospam.org> wrote in message
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> What is M+?

#1 11-07-2007, 02:19 PM

On Wed, 7 Nov 2007 08:03:52 -0700, "Dick Watson"
<littlegreengecko[at]mind-enufalready-spring.com> wrote:

- quote -

> No known fixes. I don't think it's been reported on M+, but don't recall if
> we know whether it was explicitly "improved" (the Money team never "fixes"
> anything since there are no "defects").
> When you see it go into Task Manager and End Process msmoney.exe. I've had
> to do that quite a number of times and have seen no negative results.

Yes, I've done that also. But I'm a bit fearful of messing things up, and
having a subtle error creep in that I don't discover until after a few days, at
which time I'll have made lots of entries and online payments.

<sigh
<wishing for a truly robust DB for Money
What is M+?

Best,
--ron

11-07-2007, 02:03 PM

No known fixes. I don't think it's been reported on M+, but don't recall if
we know whether it was explicitly "improved" (the Money team never "fixes"
anything since there are no "defects").

When you see it go into Task Manager and End Process msmoney.exe. I've had
to do that quite a number of times and have seen no negative results.

"Ron Rosenfeld" <ronrosenfeld[at]nospam.org> wrote in message
news:9qe3j35krmif8t40lu7oqgcujj3eb9nug7[at]4ax.com...
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> This has been reported here before. I'm wondering if there is any fix
> (other
> than to go get a cup of coffee while Money does its backup and closes).

#-1 11-07-2007, 12:22 PM

Money 2007 and Windows XP Pro

This has been reported here before. I'm wondering if there is any fix (other
than to go get a cup of coffee while Money does its backup and closes).

If I close Money and create a backup, and
If I change focus to another program/window while Money is doing the
backup, then
although Money closes on screen, the money process remains (visible in
the task manager).

The problem is if that one cannot restart a visible Money session when Money is
in this status, as the Money program thinks it is running.

--ron

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