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Old 09-03-2007, 07:38 PM
ETruss
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Default Re: Money 2004 on Vista - worked but not after re-install

Thanks. This was very informative. I have other issues with programs no
longer working correctly after the re-install and this could explain a lot of
it. So far all I knew was that all the problems go away if I turn off UAC.
I really think Microsoft went way over-board with security in the home
versions. No one buying a home version should be expected to be an expert in
computer systems security to do simple things like this. I suppose it's just
another case of the pendulum swinging to the opposite extreme of what it was
for years with the lack of security in home versions of the OS. I'll have to
wait for it to swing back the other way.

"Scott Tyler" wrote:

- quote -

> Hi ETruss,
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_SID
> Even if you use the exact same user names to set up your user accounts, the
> SIDs won't match if you reinstall an NT-based OS over existing data, or if
> you restore data from NT Backup, Ghost, etc with the "Restore Security"
> option enabled.
> The same thing can happen if you delete a user account and recreate it with
> the same name.
> If you look at the permissions and ownership for any files that belonged to
> a particular user (as opposed to a user group like "Users",
> "Administrators", etc)(assuming Windows Explorer will let you, see next),
> you will see something like "S-1-5-12-7623811015-3361044348-030300820-1013"
> in place of the user name.
> This sort of problem was easier to see and fix with Windows NT, 2000, and XP
> Pro. XP Home forced a user to boot to Safe Mode to have access to
> permissions through Windows Explorer. I haven't worked with Vista enough to
> know if the "Home" versions of Vista suffered a similar dumbing down.
> To avoid this sort of problem, I've generally reinstalled NT-based OSes to a
> clean disk, and then restored the data from a separate disk (usually using
> NT Backup or Ghost) with the "Restore Security" option cleared, so that
> restored files took on the permissions and ownership of the folders created
> during the reinstallation.
> Any data stored under "User" or "Public", or any data stored under a
> user-created folder from the old install ("C:\Downloads", etc) is likely
> going to have the same problem your Money folder and files did.
> Assuming you have access to permissions and ownership through Windows
> Explorer with your version of Windows Vista, you should be able to
> rightclick any questionable folders and files and go to the Security tab to
> see if they are affected.
> --
> Scott Tyler
> agent_scotty-at-hotmail-dot-com
> "ETruss" <ETruss[at]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:2FA978D6-EBF1-44D9-8ADF-D1ABBDE0E8FC[at]microsoft.com...
> > This did not seem to help. Thinking that this might be a permissions
> > issue
> > of some sort, I tried creating a new folder in the Users\Documents,
> > copying
> > all the files from the Money folder to the new folder, deleting the old
> > Money
> > folder and renaming the new folder to Money. So far, it seems to work.
> > Why
> > would re-installing Vista screw up permissions in my existing folders?

>
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Old 09-03-2007, 07:18 PM
Scott Tyler
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Default Re: Money 2004 on Vista - worked but not after re-install

Hi ETruss,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_SID

Even if you use the exact same user names to set up your user accounts, the
SIDs won't match if you reinstall an NT-based OS over existing data, or if
you restore data from NT Backup, Ghost, etc with the "Restore Security"
option enabled.

The same thing can happen if you delete a user account and recreate it with
the same name.

If you look at the permissions and ownership for any files that belonged to
a particular user (as opposed to a user group like "Users",
"Administrators", etc)(assuming Windows Explorer will let you, see next),
you will see something like "S-1-5-12-7623811015-3361044348-030300820-1013"
in place of the user name.

This sort of problem was easier to see and fix with Windows NT, 2000, and XP
Pro. XP Home forced a user to boot to Safe Mode to have access to
permissions through Windows Explorer. I haven't worked with Vista enough to
know if the "Home" versions of Vista suffered a similar dumbing down.

To avoid this sort of problem, I've generally reinstalled NT-based OSes to a
clean disk, and then restored the data from a separate disk (usually using
NT Backup or Ghost) with the "Restore Security" option cleared, so that
restored files took on the permissions and ownership of the folders created
during the reinstallation.

Any data stored under "User" or "Public", or any data stored under a
user-created folder from the old install ("C:\Downloads", etc) is likely
going to have the same problem your Money folder and files did.

Assuming you have access to permissions and ownership through Windows
Explorer with your version of Windows Vista, you should be able to
rightclick any questionable folders and files and go to the Security tab to
see if they are affected.

--
Scott Tyler
agent_scotty-at-hotmail-dot-com

"ETruss" <ETruss[at]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:2FA978D6-EBF1-44D9-8ADF-D1ABBDE0E8FC[at]microsoft.com...
- quote -

> This did not seem to help. Thinking that this might be a permissions
> issue
> of some sort, I tried creating a new folder in the Users\Documents,
> copying
> all the files from the Money folder to the new folder, deleting the old
> Money
> folder and renaming the new folder to Money. So far, it seems to work.
> Why
> would re-installing Vista screw up permissions in my existing folders?


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Old 09-03-2007, 02:12 PM
ETruss
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Default Re: Money 2004 on Vista - worked but not after re-install

This did not seem to help. Thinking that this might be a permissions issue
of some sort, I tried creating a new folder in the Users\Documents, copying
all the files from the Money folder to the new folder, deleting the old Money
folder and renaming the new folder to Money. So far, it seems to work. Why
would re-installing Vista screw up permissions in my existing folders?

"Cal Learner-- MVP" wrote:

- quote -

> In microsoft.public.money, ETruss wrote:
> > I installed Windows Vista Home Premium several months ago. I recently had to
> > re-install Vista and Money 2004 to get around issues caused by a hardware
> > upgrade. I had been using Money 2004 with no problems at all on Vista before
> > the re-install. Following the re-install of Vista, almost every time I start
> > Money I get the following error. When I look in the folder, my Money file is
> > not there but there is a TMP file with a create date of every time I've
> > closed Money and my backup file. I recover the backup file and everything is
> > fine again until I close Money. A new TMP file is created and the backup is
> > updated but my MNY file is gone again. This does not happen every time but
> > something like 90% of the time. This is very annoying.
> > I don't know what makes that happen. In Internet Explorer, with

> Money closed, I would delete your browser temporary files with
> Tools-> InternetOptions-> Delete-> DeleteFiles.
> While I doubt it is going to help, it won't hurt.
> > "Money cannot locate 'C:\Users\Earl\Documents\Money\Truss.mny' or
> > cannot open it, possibly because it is a read-only file or you do not have
> > permission to change it or your disk drive is write protected.
> > > If you have chosen the correct file and it cannot be accessed, you will need

> > to click ok and open the most recent backup file.
> > > If the file is being used by another application, close it in the other

> > application and click ok to try again."

> I think you are saying that is what Money gives as the error message
> when the Money file gets stuck as a temp file with a '~' in the
> name. People have said they can rename that file to *.mny and open
> the renamed file.

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Old 09-03-2007, 01:45 PM
Cal Learner-- MVP
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Default Re: Money 2004 on Vista - worked but not after re-install

In microsoft.public.money, ETruss wrote:

- quote -

> I installed Windows Vista Home Premium several months ago. I recently had to
> re-install Vista and Money 2004 to get around issues caused by a hardware
> upgrade. I had been using Money 2004 with no problems at all on Vista before
> the re-install. Following the re-install of Vista, almost every time I start
> Money I get the following error. When I look in the folder, my Money file is
> not there but there is a TMP file with a create date of every time I've
> closed Money and my backup file. I recover the backup file and everything is
> fine again until I close Money. A new TMP file is created and the backup is
> updated but my MNY file is gone again. This does not happen every time but
> something like 90% of the time. This is very annoying.


I don't know what makes that happen. In Internet Explorer, with
Money closed, I would delete your browser temporary files with
Tools-> InternetOptions-> Delete-> DeleteFiles.

While I doubt it is going to help, it won't hurt.

- quote -

> "Money cannot locate 'C:\Users\Earl\Documents\Money\Truss.mny' or
> cannot open it, possibly because it is a read-only file or you do not have
> permission to change it or your disk drive is write protected.
> If you have chosen the correct file and it cannot be accessed, you will need
> to click ok and open the most recent backup file.
> If the file is being used by another application, close it in the other
> application and click ok to try again."


I think you are saying that is what Money gives as the error message
when the Money file gets stuck as a temp file with a '~' in the
name. People have said they can rename that file to *.mny and open
the renamed file.
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Old 09-03-2007, 01:30 PM
ETruss
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Default Re: Money 2004 on Vista - worked but not after re-install

Yes. That's why my money data file is in the Users folder. It's the
replacement for My Documents under Vista. When I used Money 2004 I put the
data file in My Documents but I changed it to the Users folder when I
installed Money the first time on Vista and it worked until after the
re-install. I did not move the money data file. All I did was re-install
Vista and Money.


"Bob Peel, MVP" wrote:

- quote -

> Vista has some very rigorous rules about where you are allowed to
> create/update files. Program Files is a no-no.
> When you try to update a file in an area that Vista considers off-limits, it
> creates a transient tmp file but doesn't update the original.
> You need to move your .mny file to somewhere that Vista regards as "safe"
> e.g. My Documents.
> --
> Regards
> Bob Peel,
> Microsoft MVP - Money
> For UK tips & fixes see
> http://support.microsoft.com/default...d=fh;EN-GB;mny.
> I do not respond to any emails that I have not specifically asked for.
> "ETruss" <ETruss[at]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:92A5FB9C-8764-4155-A7D2-B4CC8DCAF718[at]microsoft.com...
> > I installed Windows Vista Home Premium several months ago. I recently had
> > to
> > re-install Vista and Money 2004 to get around issues caused by a hardware
> > upgrade. I had been using Money 2004 with no problems at all on Vista
> > before
> > the re-install. Following the re-install of Vista, almost every time I
> > start
> > Money I get the following error. When I look in the folder, my Money file
> > is
> > not there but there is a TMP file with a create date of every time I've
> > closed Money and my backup file. I recover the backup file and everything
> > is
> > fine again until I close Money. A new TMP file is created and the backup
> > is
> > updated but my MNY file is gone again. This does not happen every time
> > but
> > something like 90% of the time. This is very annoying.
> > > "Money cannot locate 'C:\Users\Earl\Documents\Money\Truss.mny' or

> > cannot open it, possibly because it is a read-only file or you do not have
> > permission to change it or your disk drive is write protected.
> > > If you have chosen the correct file and it cannot be accessed, you will

> > need
> > to click ok and open the most recent backup file.
> > > If the file is being used by another application, close it in the other

> > application and click ok to try again."

>
 
Old 09-03-2007, 06:10 AM
Bob Peel, MVP
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Default Re: Money 2004 on Vista - worked but not after re-install

Vista has some very rigorous rules about where you are allowed to
create/update files. Program Files is a no-no.

When you try to update a file in an area that Vista considers off-limits, it
creates a transient tmp file but doesn't update the original.

You need to move your .mny file to somewhere that Vista regards as "safe"
e.g. My Documents.

--
Regards
Bob Peel,
Microsoft MVP - Money

For UK tips & fixes see
http://support.microsoft.com/default...d=fh;EN-GB;mny.


I do not respond to any emails that I have not specifically asked for.

"ETruss" <ETruss[at]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:92A5FB9C-8764-4155-A7D2-B4CC8DCAF718[at]microsoft.com...
- quote -

> I installed Windows Vista Home Premium several months ago. I recently had
> to
> re-install Vista and Money 2004 to get around issues caused by a hardware
> upgrade. I had been using Money 2004 with no problems at all on Vista
> before
> the re-install. Following the re-install of Vista, almost every time I
> start
> Money I get the following error. When I look in the folder, my Money file
> is
> not there but there is a TMP file with a create date of every time I've
> closed Money and my backup file. I recover the backup file and everything
> is
> fine again until I close Money. A new TMP file is created and the backup
> is
> updated but my MNY file is gone again. This does not happen every time
> but
> something like 90% of the time. This is very annoying.
> "Money cannot locate 'C:\Users\Earl\Documents\Money\Truss.mny' or
> cannot open it, possibly because it is a read-only file or you do not have
> permission to change it or your disk drive is write protected.
> If you have chosen the correct file and it cannot be accessed, you will
> need
> to click ok and open the most recent backup file.
> If the file is being used by another application, close it in the other
> application and click ok to try again."


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Old 09-02-2007, 10:36 PM
ETruss
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Default Money 2004 on Vista - worked but not after re-install

I installed Windows Vista Home Premium several months ago. I recently had to
re-install Vista and Money 2004 to get around issues caused by a hardware
upgrade. I had been using Money 2004 with no problems at all on Vista before
the re-install. Following the re-install of Vista, almost every time I start
Money I get the following error. When I look in the folder, my Money file is
not there but there is a TMP file with a create date of every time I've
closed Money and my backup file. I recover the backup file and everything is
fine again until I close Money. A new TMP file is created and the backup is
updated but my MNY file is gone again. This does not happen every time but
something like 90% of the time. This is very annoying.

"Money cannot locate 'C:\Users\Earl\Documents\Money\Truss.mny' or
cannot open it, possibly because it is a read-only file or you do not have
permission to change it or your disk drive is write protected.

If you have chosen the correct file and it cannot be accessed, you will need
to click ok and open the most recent backup file.

If the file is being used by another application, close it in the other
application and click ok to try again."

 

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