Comments in-lined. This is my last post to this thread. You clearly are
lobbying (potentially a nice word for trolling), not looking for help.

"karim" <karim3411[at]!!yahoo!!.com> wrote in message
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Because next to nobody would know where the key strokes were going and next
to nobody would understand that just typing created this behavior out of
dozens of other possibilities on the relatively complicated Money window.
Not to mention issues like disambiguating when you are trying to enter a new
transaction from when you are just trying to search for some item somewhere
in the current transaction register.

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A transaction register. Just like I said. I think it's no more a list than
all of the cells in a spreadsheet are a list or all of the elements in a
Word document are a list. We already agreed to disagree about that.

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Are we talking about finding a specific transaction in a given account
register? I use Tools|Find. Are we talking about prior entries to a given
payee? Well, method one is to find any entry to them. r-click on it, and
select the payee choice. Method two is to look them up in Accounts &
Bills|Categories & Payees|Payees if they are an explicit payee. Method 3,
when the above two fail, is Tools|Find. I don't find myself having to do any
of these terribly often.

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So, if you recognize that this won't make a support case, pray tell, what is
the "thing [you] were asking for"?

You are whining that this doesn't work as you are expecting and seem to
think is so obvious that it should work--why, any fool would think it should
work this way.

So, you are accepting that it isn't a bug and is working and can find no way
to demonstrate that it isn't working as advertised. That gets you to the
second choice I offered way back. This is the way it works. Learn to live
with it. None of us here can change the way this works and, apparently, none
of us know where the hidden switch is to make it work your way.

I told you how to open a wish item. So do that. There is nothing more
anybody here can do to help you. As noted, this is incredibly far from a
frequently made request, so I'd bet that your post here--even if read by
somebody who can change the way Money works--will fall on completely deaf
ears. Many more wishes have been posted here, with orders of magnitude
greater frequency than this one, for a decade or more now that haven't made
it into the product.

p.s., did AutoComplete do what you wanted it to?

On Sat, 20 Sep 2003 18:10:29 -0600, Dick Watson wrote:

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Explain why my feature does not pass most usability tests.


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If the transaction registrer is not a list among the gui components, what
do you think it is?



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What's your method of finding or even narrowing your search in one or two
keystrokes?

You open a support issue if there's a bug or something doesn't work as
advertised... hardly the thing I was asking for. I'll just put Money in the
category of applications that does not have very user friendly productive
interfaces.

karim

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"karim" <karim3411[at]!!yahoo!!.com> wrote in message
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For every one of the thousands of WinApps that does what you describe, I'm
betting there are thousands more that don't. I'm also betting that what you
describe for Money would not pass most usability tests nor meet Windows
style guidance. But you might really like it. And you just might be correct.

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I would argue that they are prefectly relevant in demonstrating that not all
Windows applications do what you ask in all possible modes as you seem to be
implying. I would also argue that a transaction register is not a list. It's
a transaction register. You think these are synonymous. I'd think not. We
can agree to disagree.

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Indeed. In seven years or so I've been following this NG, I don't recall
anybody else ever bringing this one up. I've seen lots of looney tune
suggestions--like the lottery tracker--come up more than once. Your request
is a first.

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I hope autocomplete works for you. I think you'll find it doesn't do what
you are asking--because I *do* know how autocomplete works.

I'm not sure what it is you're suggesting I don't know. I gave you a binary
choice: Money is broken, I can't fix it nor tell you how to fix it--and so
far nobody has a better suggestion besides Cal's suggestion that
autocomplete might be what you are looking for--so open a support case or
this is the way Money works. There really isn't a third option. I know which
I **think** is the correct answer. But I have an open mind: open the support
case and let us know how it goes. When you get this sold as a bug and get a
patch or a change in a future version to work your way, I'll be the first to
admit I was wrong.

If you want to submit a wish, see http://www.bollar.org/msmoney/#Q66.

On Thu, 18 Sep 2003 11:01:58 -0600, Dick Watson wrote:

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I know money is not file explorer. I did mention the favorites in IE and
there are thousands of Windows programs that have the feature I am looking
for. The transaction list is a type of list.


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Your examples are irrelevant. A word document is not a list. So are your
examples.


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Funny that I am the only person in the world who finds this feature helpful



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Or you maybe you don't know. Someone suggested turning autocomplete
feature. I don't have Money installed on the computer I am writing this
messages from so I will try it later. I am not a passive person who just
takes everything for granted. If I see that doesn't work right, I do
something about it. Like posting in a newsgroup. Maybean reader has a
worksaround. Or Maybe MS reads this group and comes up with a "How come we
didn't think about this when we designed this product" attitude.

karim

In microsoft.public.money, Cal Learner-- MVP wrote:

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Correction. Make that last sentence read "In IE you would type
"fff" to get to the third F on a *drop-down* list."

You read his requirement differently than I do. Perhaps you are correct.

"Cal Learner-- MVP" <via_newsgroup[at]please.tnx> wrote in message
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Well, the Money UI is not the Windows File Explorer UI. (Duh.) And the Money
"transaction list" is not a list like a pull-down list in, say, a
transaction category pull-down.

Can you open a Word document and start typing characters and have it take
you to the first paragraph that starts with these words? When you are
looking at a web page with IE can you just start typing and have it
automagically find that text on the page? When you open an Excel worksheet
and just start typing a cell address does it jump to that cell?

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Two possible answers:
1) Because Money is broken. You should open a support case directly with
Microsoft and see if you can a) get them to agree, and b) get them to fix
it.

2) Because Money wasn't designed to work that way. You should learn to deal
with it.

Choose whichever makes you feel better.

"Karim" <karim3411[at]!!yahoo!!.com> wrote in message
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In microsoft.public.money, Karim wrote:

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It works that way for me. Perhaps you don't have
Tools-> Options-> Editing-> UseAutoComplete set.


If the payee is "First Bank" typing "f" might get me to "Fanny's
Pizza". If I then type "i" it might get me to "Firestone". Typing
the "r" would probably get me to "First Bank".

This is BETTER than the IE way IMHO. In IE typing "f" then "i" would
switch me from "Fanny's Pizza" to "Ida's Pets". In IE you would type
"fff" to get to the third F on the list.

On Wed, 17 Sep 2003 10:17:04 -0600, Dick Watson wrote:

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What I am asking for is a standard Windows GUI feature. When you're in a
list and hit a key, the cursor jumps to the first entry where the first
letter matches the key. It works in file explorer, it works in IE's
favorites and it works in many MS apps. Why it's not working in the
transaction list in Money? Before I enter a new transaction I want to make
sure it's not entered already. Right now I have to scroll and look for a
trasansaction. When you enter many transactions, time is wasted.
For example when I enter a new transaction for "Target", if I hit T on the
list, it should jump to the first T's.

Karim





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Click on the transaction you are interested in with the Mouse? I think you
are asking for a totally different UI than the one Money actually
implements.

"Karim" <karim3411[at]!!yahoo!!.com> wrote in message
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Using MS Money 2003.

I noticed that I can't jump to a transaction in the transaction list view
based on first letter of payee name. (Similar to going to a file in file
explorer based on first letter typed). Is there a quick short cut to do
this? I don't want to use the find function because it slows me down.


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