In microsoft.public.money, Alex Khesin wrote:

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I just replicated your observations that TransferOut
and TransferIn are broken regarding keeping basis date. They do keep
basis amount.

I may have known about this before and forgotten.

If you were transferring everything from OldBroker to NewBroker, the
old method would have worked fine:

Disable OldBroker for online access.
In account details, change FI and other data.
Set up NewBroker for online access.
If you get a bunch of AddShares at the new broker, either Void them,
or Delete the statement.

That is probably too late to be useful to you.

If you want to try to implement that now, CutAndPasteToAccount could
be useful to move some transactions, especially Dividends. If you
want to CutAndPasteToAccount some sells, a temporary fake
early-dated AddShares could be useful.




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That sounds as if you might have moved brokers. I had thought you
might have just moved the one investment for some reason.


<snip

Wouldn't the workaround be just changing the date in TaxCut? Yes, the Money
Report still would be wrong, but ultimately it doesn't matter if your tax
reporting is correct.
--
Peace,
BobJ

"Alex Khesin" <AlexKhesin[at]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
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"Cal Learner-- MVP" wrote:
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I tried it both ways with the same result.

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That's pretty difficult to do for mutual funds that reinvest dividends
regularly - there are too may transactions to move between accounts for each
of the funds.

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I just tried - I upgraded to Plus which unfortunately gives the same results.

In microsoft.public.money, Alex Khesin wrote:

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That makes me wonder if you actually started with the TransferOut
rather than the TransferIn.

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To work around this, you could delete/void the existing sale and
transfer. Then enter the sale in the old account, and transfer the
resulting cash in the new account.

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I doubt there is a difference. I have not tried to replicate this
tho.

"Cal Learner-- MVP" wrote:
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I was looking at the Capital Gains report earlier, but TXF has the same
problem::

^
TD
N321
C1
L1
P1,242.592 Eaton Vance Income Fund of Boston A
D3/7/2007
D5/17/2007
$3,710.52
$8,222.05

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03/7/2007 is the date of transfer, 05/17/2007 is the day of sale. The
purchase day is several years ago, and that's what I was hoping to see
instead of 03/7/2007.

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In microsoft.public.money, Alex Khesin <Alex
Khesin[at]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

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Do you say that the Capital Gains report shows this as a short term
gain?

Do you say that if you create a TXF file (that can be imported into
TaxCut or TurboTax) shows his as a short term gain?

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For me, Money did transfer the transaction history and performance data, but
after I sold the fund a month after the transfer, Money decided that the
transfer date was the day I bought the fund, and I cannot convince it to not
to treat the gains as short-term capital gains.

Does anyone know of a work-around for this? I am using Money 2006, does
anyone know whether Money Plus is better in this regard?

Thank you!
Alex

"Dick Watson" wrote:

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If the transfer is initiated from the receiving account (as a TransferIn),
then Money has problems. Initiating it from the sending account (as a
TransferOut) eliminates these problems.

--
Michael Gordon


"Dick Watson" <littlegreengecko[at]mind-enufalready-spring.com> wrote in
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In microsoft.public.money, Gina L. wrote:

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Money actually remembers the original date and price, but it does
not easily display them. You can get that from the Capital Gains
Estimator (you might want to take a look at that), and that data is
used when you create info for your schedule D for use with TaxCut or
TurboTax.

Yes, the Portfolio does start over with the performance data. There
are a couple of alternatives if you don't like that. One is to
Right-click the original transactions and to choose
CutAndPasteToAccount. Before starting that you would want to create
a fake AddShares to the losing account to keep there from being a
Sell still remaining without any shares to sell during the process.
Then delete the fake Buy.

A similar way would be this:

Keep an extra copy/backup of your file in case you want to undo
something. You can have more than one copy of your file with
different names for experiments.


Go to investment YourShares and choose InvestmentActivities. Enter
a fake new AddShares dated before all other transactions with
quantity more than the total of other transactions into the old
account. This is to temporarily keep you from having Sells with no
corresponding shares to sell.

Edit each non-fake transaction of the investment to change the Inv.
Account using the drop-down list to the new account. Start with
the oldest transaction. My sense of it is to keep the TransferTo
box as it is, since that is actually the one that had the cash. It
is also not clear to me whether you want to change the account for
the past dividends. Not moving the dividends would be easier, but
moving the dividends would make analysis more accurate. Certainly
any ReinvestDividends etc should be changed to the new account.

Keep going until there are no more YourShares transactions
remaining except the fake transaction. Delete the fake AddShares
transaction. At that point, you should have no shares of that
investment in the old account.

Let us know how it works out.




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I would argue that it makes no sense to transfer history and data along with
the shares to the new account as that's not where the history occurred. This
is precisely analogous to transferring shares from one broker to
another--and Money will do one better:

To wit: it should recognize proper lots and splits and what not for capital
gains reporting.

But: I'd like to think it deals with the history correctly for performance
reporting in, say, Portfolio Manger, but I'm not sure it does deal with this
correctly. I recall reports here to the contrary.

So the questions were self-answering in Quicken?

"Gina L." <GinaL[at]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
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I tried this option "transfer out" and it worked fine until I looked at each
investment. It only transfered the amount, but not the history and data.
Been searching thru index to find answer but no luck. Personally, I regret
switching to this program from Quicken. Not at all easy to use-have to
search for every little answer.

"Dick Watson" wrote:

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"Dick Watson" wrote:

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Enter a transaction in the investment register just as you would enter a
"Buy" or a "Sell" or a "Reinvest Dividend" or similar. Instead, use the
"Transfer Out" activity. It will let you pick an investment, a number of
shares, and a transfer Investment Account where you want to put the shares.

If you've only ever downloaded transaction data, this may be daunting but
would certainly be a good thing to learn to do.

"artdg" <artdg[at]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
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Dick:

Makes sense...unfortunately I don't know HOW to execute. Can you assist
further? You may be on to something.

V/r,

Art

"Dick Watson" wrote:

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Investment Activity Transfer Out?

"artdg" <artdg[at]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
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Folks, I tried this qustion about a month ago with no success. So here we go
again. I use MS Money 2006 Deluxe. I want to open a NEW account in my
portfolio manager and simply transfer SOME (BUT NOT ALL) of my holdings from
a different account.

There has got to be a way to do this but I can't figure it out. Can anybody
help?

Thanks.