You could validate or invalidate this by temporarily moving the Money
file to the laptop to see if the symptoms reverse.


"Brent" <undefined> wrote in message
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"Slower" could be the key. Access may be not be restricted solely by
the ".LRD" locking file.

I have no idea how Money is coded, but if I were coding it, I would map
the Money file into memory if it resided on the local machine in order
to enhance performance, something that cannot be done remotely over a
network. Remotely, the file, or portions thereof, would have to be
cached.

In other words, and this is pure speculation, running Insights on the
desktop may be mapping the Money file into memory, thus denying the
laptop concurrent access. Money may be able to run on the desktop,
however, even if Insights is running on the laptop, since Insights on
the laptop cannot remotely map the Money file.


"SteveC" <sconklan.nospam.yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Laptop is connected wirelessly, which makes it somewhat slower to open.

In microsoft.public.money, SteveC wrote:

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OK. Insights is keeping the most recently used Money file locked
(via the .lrd file) to the other computer. Besides turning off
Insights, you could open a different file on the main PC. That is
not going to be that useful, so your best bet will be to turn off
Insights while doing the remote access, as you have been doing.

Another possibility would be that if the laptop wanted to do some
effectively read-only access, it could copy the .mny to its space
and open the copy. Of course any changes will not be reflected back
to the main box.


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Update. Insights is apparently not the problem nor is mnybbsvc.exe, which is loaded on main machine and laptop will open the file with it running. I can have insights running on laptop and I can open Money Plus on the desktop, but the reverse is not true. If insights is running on the desktop, the laptop will hang if I try to open Money Plus. Close Insights on the desktop, and it loads!

I have the Money file on my Public folder in my Vista machine. Both machines are running Vista and Money Plus.


"Cal Learner-- MVP" <via_newsgroup[at]please.tnx> wrote in message news:tmkbc3hut79n3tte3q4fe03f9l5prraniq[at]4ax.com...
In microsoft.public.money, SteveC wrote:

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On Tools-> InternetUpdates-> CustomizeUpdates in Money Plus there is a
checkbox to control Automated Online Updates. If the box is
ticked, mnybbsvc.exe, the background banking service, is run. If
you open a Money file where the checkbox is cleared, mnybbsvc.exe
ends. You are able to select this even if there is no
LiveID on the file.

Tell Money to Update Now (such as with
Tools-> InternetUpdates-> UpdateNow) when you want updates.

Keep lots of backups. I would increase the number of backups that
Money keeps on each computer. You are in unsupported operation by
having both computer accessing that file.

Thanks; that wasn't the problem as none of that was checked. I do keep lots of backups and have almost never had a problem.
"Cal Learner-- MVP" <via_newsgroup[at]please.tnx> wrote in message news:tmkbc3hut79n3tte3q4fe03f9l5prraniq[at]4ax.com...
In microsoft.public.money, SteveC wrote:

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On Tools-> InternetUpdates-> CustomizeUpdates in Money Plus there is a
checkbox to control Automated Online Updates. If the box is
ticked, mnybbsvc.exe, the background banking service, is run. If
you open a Money file where the checkbox is cleared, mnybbsvc.exe
ends. You are able to select this even if there is no
LiveID on the file.

Tell Money to Update Now (such as with
Tools-> InternetUpdates-> UpdateNow) when you want updates.

Keep lots of backups. I would increase the number of backups that
Money keeps on each computer. You are in unsupported operation by
having both computer accessing that file.

In microsoft.public.money, SteveC wrote:

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On Tools-> InternetUpdates-> CustomizeUpdates in Money Plus there is a
checkbox to control Automated Online Updates. If the box is
ticked, mnybbsvc.exe, the background banking service, is run. If
you open a Money file where the checkbox is cleared, mnybbsvc.exe
ends. You are able to select this even if there is no
LiveID on the file.

Tell Money to Update Now (such as with
Tools-> InternetUpdates-> UpdateNow) when you want updates.

Keep lots of backups. I would increase the number of backups that
Money keeps on each computer. You are in unsupported operation by
having both computer accessing that file.

I'd agree it's a good thing if the binary choice is (prevents bad things
from happening by not working at all) or (allows bad things to happen by
working in ignorance).

I don't agree that those are the only two choices that should exist for
shared access to a data file in late 2007. Maybe in 2001 or 2 this would
have been a "state of the art" choice--but then we had the case of allowing
bad things to happen by working in ignorance.

Why Insights prevents access by M+--if it really just uses the data file
read-only--is another interesting question. MoneyLink certainly works fine
in parallel with Money being "in the file".

"Cal Learner-- MVP" <via_newsgroup[at]please.tnx> wrote in message
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Dick has it exactly right. This is from my laptop on my home network. I have the laptop pointed to my .mny file, which is in a public folder on my main PC. Laptop is connected wirelessly, which makes it somewhat slower to open. When money tries to open the file from the laptop, it hangs if Insights is running on my main computer. I have Plus installed on both machines.


"Cal Learner-- MVP" <via_newsgroup[at]please.tnx> wrote in message news:7849c31gelan01dg5jhebt3ftmejbvlgfi[at]4ax.com...
In microsoft.public.money, Dick Watson wrote:

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If your scenario is correct, and if Money on one computer refuses to
open the file that is being accessed on the other in an unusual
situation, that would seem to be a good behavior.

Insights is read-only. So that is certainly a plus (no pun
intended).

In microsoft.public.money, Dick Watson wrote:

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If your scenario is correct, and if Money on one computer refuses to
open the file that is being accessed on the other in an unusual
situation, that would seem to be a good behavior.

Insights is read-only. So that is certainly a plus (no pun
intended).

I read the OP to say, but cannot presently test:

"Computer A and B both have M+ installed. Computer A and B are on a net
together. They both frequently use \\someserver\somehsare\MyMsMoneyFile.MNY.
Computer A is trained to run M+Insights against
\\someserver\somehsare\MyMsMoneyFile.MNY, and is running it now, but is not
now running M+. Computer B now wants to run M+ and somehow Computer B's M+
has "problems" because M+Insights from computer A is also accessing the
file."

If I read this correctly, this wouldn't surprise me for a moment. The only
reason I say that, knowing little more than nothing about how MoneyInsights
accesses the data file, is that Money has a long and distinguished track
record of ignoring or even being hostile--by omission really, there probably
isn't one iota of commission involved--to the possibility that a Money user
might have multiple computers on a network, several of which can use Money,
and might actually know how to have one of them use a file located on the
other one or even a third one. A decade or more ago Word and Excel protected
against this. Money? Not so much.

"Cal Learner-- MVP" <via_newsgroup[at]please.tnx> wrote in message
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In microsoft.public.money, Cal Learner-- MVP wrote:

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After re-reading your posting, I think you are talking about your
Windows Desktop, and that you are only talking about one computer.
Right? I was thinking you were saying "desktop" to refer to a
desktop computer as distinguished from laptop, palmtop, or whatever.

And you are clicking on a shortcut on your Windows Desktop to open
Money Plus. And that shortcut points to your Money file? And is that
the only Money file that you have run recently?

I would be interested in understanding what you are describing.
However you may be able to work around what you are seeing by
opening Money by right-clicking the Insights icon. Alternatively you
could copy the link to start Money Plus from your Start menu to your
Windows Desktop.





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In microsoft.public.money, SteveC wrote:

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So is your main computer a laptop, and how is that interfaced to
your desktop?

Insights only periodically looks at your most recently used file.

It is unclear what you are describing.

I should have foreseen this. If Insights is up on my main computer, I cannot open my money file on my desktop. So I will have to start insights daily and then close it or not use it at all. Anyone know or can think of a workaround? I was hoping this insights would only periodically look at the money file, not keep it open always.