The MMF funds with the * in front of the Symbol will not update, so this
works as a (hopefully) temporary workaround until the quotes server gets its
act together.
--
Peace,
BobJ

"Marilyn & Bob" <Privacy[at]nospam.please> wrote in message
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I put an asterisk preceding the Symbol names for my 3 MM funds in investment
accounts. (I have a fourth MMF, but it is set up as s Savings Account, so
it doesn't get price downloads). I'll check after the next update whether
that works. I deleted all the erroneous prices, since I see no value to the
Price History for MM funds, but I wonder if they correct the problem, will
it correct the price history as well?
--
Peace,
BobJ

"Cal Learner-- MVP" <via_newsgroup[at]please.tnx> wrote in message
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Just another confirmation, My Fidelity Cash Reserves was listed as MMF but
experienced the same problem. I deleted bad data all the way back to 99.

"Cal Learner-- MVP" <via_newsgroup[at]please.tnx> wrote in message
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In microsoft.public.money, don wrote:

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When you create an investment from scratch you will see that choice.
You will not see it in the drop-down list on the Details page,
because you are not allowed to make that change. They are
represented differently.

I think they should have permitted the change as a one way thing
(mutual fund to MMF) but not the opposite.

In microsoft.public.money, z1Barry wrote:

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It appears that changing that to a MMF does not solve the duff quote
problem as I had suspected. The best course is to remove the symbol
on the details for the investment. You could change the name of the
investment to incorporate the symbol so that the symbol will be
easily visible to you.

On Aug 18, 5:20 pm, z1Barry <barry.c...[at]verizon.net> wrote:
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I think you are on to something - the quotes are actually 7-day
yields!

I have been getting Online quotes since about 2004. The bad quotes for
money markets started in early Dec. 2006, and I even had some bad ones
yesterday. I have changed them all manually to $1.00, let's see if it
continues to happen but I bet it will - it seems bad data is coming
from the server.

Cal, one question - in Money 2007, I don't see the option for a Money
Market Fund, just a Mutual Fund. How is that done? I don't think that
is the problem though, as it worked perfectly up until December of
last year.

In microsoft.public.money, Wildlight wrote:

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Apparently too quick! I mis-read the symptoms.

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I am surprised the were classified as MMFs and you still had the
problem. Thanks for the info. My MMF did not have a problem, but
there were no quotes in the history for the past couple years. It
was un-checked to update prices, so that may be why I did not see
the problem... Based on your observations I opened a test copy of
my file in M+, checked that my MMF should hereafter have quotes
downloaded, and then updated prices online. I saw that quote problem
too.

I then deleted those bad quotes. I updated online again. I suggest
that you remove the symbol for your MMF now in your main file. More
experiments will be welcome, but I suggest you might do that with a
test copy of your file.



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There was an update referenced on
http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com...orkstatus.aspx that
has been completed. I don't know who the quotes were changed to.
Looking at
http://moneycentral.msn.com/investor...p?Symbol=prrxx
I see the problem there. I don't see an attribution to the quote
provider that I see for most quotes.

On Aug 18, 3:35 pm, Cal Learner-- MVP <via_newsgr...[at]please.tnxwrote:
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As suspected, my money market fund (EMAXX) is listed as a mutual fund.
Strange, almost all of prices were "bad" (about 2 years worth). Only 2
were the correct price of 1.00 (8/17/07 and 1/2/07). I was curious so
I restored my money file from a 8/14/2007 backup and all the EMAXX
prices were correct (1.00) ! Back to my current file, I deleted all
the bad prices and removed the symbol as recommended. All of this
using Money 2006 so I could not use the CombineWith option previously
mentioned. I am just starting to test Money Plus trial and will try
that option later.

"Cal Learner-- MVP" wrote:

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I appreciate the quick feedback. Some info: I'm using M06. Both of my MMF
are catergorized as Money Market Funds. The errant quotes go back several
years and are all sourced as "on line." For some reason I never saw the
impact of these bad quotes before today. I went ahead and deleted the wrong
quotes. All is right with the world.

What or who is the quote provider change that you referred to?

In microsoft.public.money, Wildlight wrote:

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Dang. The original poster, donawalt, had his bad quotes a while
back. His problem is probably not the same as yours. You may be
seeing the effect of the quote provider change from last night. I
suspect a lot of people will be seeing that.

Is your MMF listed as a mutual fund or money market fund in Money? I
suspect it is set up as a mutual fund. That is not to say that the
price should have downloaded into Money as something other than $1.
It is possible to change a mutual fund to a MMF in Money, but it is
not simple. I posted a procedure in this thread about how you could
handle it in M07 and M+. For older versions without the MergeWith
operation it would be even more complex.

Whichever the MMF is defined as, removing the symbol in Money is a
sure fire way to make sure you will not get quotes. Now why did it
fetch a quote when it was marked not to? I don't know.

"Cal Learner-- MVP" wrote:

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I had the shock of my life this morning when I noticed a huge jump in
portfolio market value associated with my money market funds. Each ends in XX
and are defined as money market funds. After reviewing this post I noticed
several updates of more than a $1.00 sourced "online" rather than "update."
In checking to see if these funds are enabled for updates I found they are
not. Thoughts?

In microsoft.public.money, z1Barry wrote:

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Ahhh. You may be on to something. That makes sense.

Delete the bad prices and see if they recur. Recent changes in the
quote serving may make that problem not happen.

I am guessing you also have EMAXX defined as a mutual fund instead
of a money market fund. You could change that with some effort. A
quicker workaround would be to remove the symbol, but again, the
quote server may not have the problem from now on.

On Aug 18, 12:11 am, Cal Learner-- MVP <via_newsgr...[at]please.tnxwrote:
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I just noticed I have the same problem in my portfolio with money
market fund EMAXX. Most of the Money historical prices are in the 4.50
range which is probably the yield percentage.
The most recent Money price is 1.00 which explains the losses reported
by portfolio manager. Yahoo also reports the most recent "last trade"
price as 4.50%. I am using both Money 2006 and Money Plus with the
same bad price date for both versions.

In microsoft.public.money, don wrote:

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That's a good MMF with a proper public symbol. I don't know how the
bad prices could have made it into your history.

On Aug 17, 12:11 pm, Cal Learner-- MVP <via_newsgr...[at]please.tnxwrote:
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It's PRRXX. Other money market funds had the same weirdness I found.

In microsoft.public.money, don wrote:

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It's hard to say. I would not lean toward corrupted file, tho I
would suggest an occasional Quick file repair for the heck of it.

A proper public symbol for a mutual fund is typically five letters
where the last two are XX. Some brokers list a symbol that is in a
different form and those are not generally carried in quote servers.
The symbol could even happen to match up with that of a different
security since the broker intended to use that symbol internally
only.

Sometimes the price server is in error as it is when I look at
http://moneycentral.msn.com/investor...x=1&Symbol=NSH
The actual price of NuStar has never been under $19.

There could be other possibilities. Probably the best deal with a
fund defined as a MMF that does not have an ___XX symbol is to just
leave the symbol blank in Money.

What is the symbol?

OK, I printed these instructions out.

One question, why did the bad prices come over- is that an error on
the mutual fund side, a corrupted file in my system, or something
else?

In microsoft.public.money, donawalt[at]gmail.com wrote:

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Unfortunately there is no direct way. There are two solutions that
would improve things:


1. Easy less good way:
a. Remove the symbol from the security as a sure fire way to get
Money to never download the price from its quote server.
b. Delete all of the non $ 1 prices. Let it stay a mutual fund.
The main downside of this is that if you download Buys and Sells,
they will get put on your schedule D if you let Money prepare your
schedule D with TaxCut or TurboTax.

2. Harder better way:
Make an extra copy/backup in case you want to undo something!!

2a. Assuming you download transactions from your broker,
disassociate the existing mutual fund from your downloads. I have a
procedure for doing that below using Money 2007 or later. It may
look complex, but it is a lot easier than it is for earlier
versions. Please make notes of any discrepancies in the procedures I
am describing. I have not tested this live. Remember you are
prepared to restore a backup if you don't like the results.

2b. Pre-create a Money Market Fund called RealMMF or whatever is
appropriate. One way is with
Portfolio-> WorkWithInvestments-> SetUpANewInvestment. Leave the
symbol blank.

2c.Download from your broker. Expect Money to say it found a new
investment -- your Money Market. I think Money will let you choose
the type at, but if you want to be sure, you could pre-create a
Money Market Fund called RealMMF or whatever is appropriate. Tell
Money that this investment that it just found is the same as
RealMMF.
Expect Money to say that the statement says you currently have Y
shares of RealMMF, but your statement says you have X (maybe zero if
there was no activity). Let Money create the AddShares to bring the
balance to the right amount. I would then modify that to a Buy in
the register(s), and I would modify the Memo.

2d. Now you need to zero out your holding of HistoricMF. I would
create a Sell of the same number of shares that you have the Buy of
for RealMMF. The pair will have no net effect on your cash balance.
Inspect your register to see if any other adjustments are needed.

So what did this do for you? The biggie for me is that the MMF
transactions don't get put on the schedule D. Having a bunch of Buy
and Sell for the same amount don't affect your taxes, but it's
messy. Plus now Money expects the price to stay at $1 (which we hope
is a justified expectation.)

If something is confusing, check back. In any case, let us know how
it came out. Also post what is lacking in the procedure.


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disassociate Mutual Fund from downloads using CombineWith:

1. Create a new mutual fund called "HistoricMF" or some such.
This will be the name that your existing transactions will show up
as.

2. Pretend that your present MMF name is "ExistingMF" Then go to
the Details of ExistingMF and blank out the symbol. Then choose
CombineWith (upper right) to combine with HistoricMF. All of your
earlier transactions would now show up as HistoricMF transactions,
as would new downloads if you stopped now.

3. But you want Money to ask about ExistingMF the next time it
downloads. So you will next go to the settings for HistoricMF and
click ManageCombinedInvestments (lower). Tick the box for
ExistingMF and click Remove. Accept the warning. At this point,
there are no transactions for ExistingMF and Money would ask about
it upon next download. As far as I know, ExistingMF is gone.

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On Aug 16, 12:50 pm, Cal Learner-- MVP <via_newsgr...[at]please.tnxwrote:
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Thanks for the reply, you may be on to something!

If I go to Investment Details, it is marked as a mutual fund. I don't
see how to make it a money market fund, the choices are Stock, Bond,
Mutual Fund, and Index. Is there a way to make it a money market fund,
or somewhere else to look?

Also - if I look at the price updates in the manual list, from 12/1/06
to 8/9/07 it was between 4.78 and 4.82! The report appeared fine
though. Since 8/10 it's back to a dollar, I assume that's why the drop
occurred. Can I just delete all those prices, does that hurt
anything, or do I modify/correct them to $1.00?

In microsoft.public.money, donawalt[at]gmail.com wrote:

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Go to the investment details.

Is that mutual fund set up as a money market fund, as you would
expect?

UpdatePrices-> UpdatePricesManually Look through the
table and find the entries. Do they all say $1?