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| On Aug 7, 3:54 pm, "Mark" <a...[at]abcd.com> wrote: - quote - > Take a look athttp://moneycentral.msn.com/investor/partsub/funds/portfolio.asp?Fund...
Ok. Guess it's all starting to make sense now.> In the Asset Allocation chart you'll see that Stocks (equity) account for > 0.5% of the allocation of this fund. This question is more complicated: YTD return in Money be less than that in my online account. Both have the same beginning and current balance. However, the money gained during this period is less in Money than in the online account. Is there a good place I should start looking for the discrepancy? Several funds are involved and all virtually match the online account values. Thanks, Brett |
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| In microsoft.public.money, brett wrote: - quote - > On Aug 7, 11:44 am, Cal Learner-- MVP <via_newsgr...[at]please.tnx> wrote:
Those will match until you get dividends/distributions. Remember> > In microsoft.public.money, brett wrote: > > > On Aug 7, 8:53 am, Cal Learner-- MVP <via_newsgr...[at]please.tnx> wrote: > > > > In microsoft.public.money, brett wrote: > > > > > On Aug 6, 9:59 pm, Cal Learner-- MVP <via_newsgr...[at]please.tnx> wrote: > > > > > > In microsoft.public.money, brett wrote: > > > > > > > I'm using MS Money 2004 SB. I have a fund that the equity is less > > > > > > > than the cost basis. It doesn't seem to make since given the > > > > > > > purchases and current price on that fund. I made two purchases: > > > > > > > > 6/5 50.437 [at] $14.87 = $750 > > > > > > > 6/6 20.229 [at] 14.83 = $300 > > > > > > > > plus a small dividend. Last price was $14.33 and my avg cost is > > > > > > > $14.854. Gain is -37.41%. Cost basis is $1059.54 and equity is > > > > > > > $5.21. My market value on this fund is $1022.13. > > > > > > > > Given those numbers, how can the fund be down by 37.41% and equity be > > > > > > > only $5.21? My market value matches that in the online broker > > > > > > > account. > > > > > > > The word equity seems to have a lot of meanings. > > > > > > > Taking a stab-- is this a bond fund? > > > > > > No, it's a Fidelity mutual fund - FNMIX. There are some other funds > > > > > in my MS Money Fidelity portfolio that have the same problem. > > > > > However, in the online account, the overall portfolio return is > > > > > different than that report by Money. My other non Fidelity accounts > > > > > seem right on. > > > > > I don't use that column, but for a stock it matches the Market Value > > > > column. > > > > > I am inferring that the word "equity" is being used to distinguish > > > > stocks (equity) as opposed to debt investments such as bonds. This > > > > would be like definition 2 ofhttp://www.investorwords.com/1726/equity.html. I expect that for a > > > > balanced fund, it would have a number that is roughly half of the > > > > Market Value column. > > > > > This is Fidelity's description of that fund:http://content.members.fidelity.com/...10836,00.html#... > > > > By "debt securities" I think they mean non-stocks, such as bonds or > > > > commercial paper. > > > > > I do suggest that you might consider configuring in the Price > > > > Appreciation column. In a taxable account, this can be useful when > > > > you are looking for capital losses to take.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > I still don't understand why it says down by 37%. Where does that > > > come from? > > > What is the actual column heading on the column where you see/saw > > the -37%? Are you sure you are not looking at the "Ann. Ret." > > column?- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - > Sorry. I was looking at "Gain", which is actually a dollar amount and > not a percentage. BTW, this is the same value as "Price > Appreciation". that dividends are real money. - quote - > If the market value is $1022.13 and the cost basis is $1059.54, that
My inference is that of your $1022.13, that fund holds $5.21 of> gives -$37.41, the number I confused with a percentage. So far, so > good. How does the "Equity Amount" column then get $5.21? If my Gain > is a negative number, how can there be any equity? value in equity (stocks or preferred stocks) and $1,016.92 in debt securities (bonds, notes, repurchase obligations, etc). |
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| Take a look at http://moneycentral.msn.com/investor...1&Symbol=FNMIX In the Asset Allocation chart you'll see that Stocks (equity) account for 0.5% of the allocation of this fund. -Mark "Cal Learner-- MVP" <via_newsgroup[at]please.tnx> wrote in message news:7euhb317ogs72he93i3ik77a097qvm8o71[at]4ax.com... - quote - > In microsoft.public.money, brett wrote: > > On Aug 7, 11:44 am, Cal Learner-- MVP <via_newsgr...[at]please.tnx> > wrote: > > > In microsoft.public.money, brett wrote: > > > > On Aug 7, 8:53 am, Cal Learner-- MVP <via_newsgr...[at]please.tnx> wrote: > > > > > In microsoft.public.money, brett wrote: > > > > > > On Aug 6, 9:59 pm, Cal Learner-- MVP <via_newsgr...[at]please.tnx> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > In microsoft.public.money, brett wrote: > > > > > > > > I'm using MS Money 2004 SB. I have a fund that the equity is > > > > > > > > less > > > > > > > > than the cost basis. It doesn't seem to make since given the > > > > > > > > purchases and current price on that fund. I made two purchases: > > > > > > > > > > 6/5 50.437 [at] $14.87 = $750 > > > > > > > > 6/6 20.229 [at] 14.83 = $300 > > > > > > > > > > plus a small dividend. Last price was $14.33 and my avg cost is > > > > > > > > $14.854. Gain is -37.41%. Cost basis is $1059.54 and equity > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > $5.21. My market value on this fund is $1022.13. > > > > > > > > > > Given those numbers, how can the fund be down by 37.41% and > > > > > > > > equity be > > > > > > > > only $5.21? My market value matches that in the online broker > > > > > > > > account. > > > > > > > > > The word equity seems to have a lot of meanings. > > > > > > > > > Taking a stab-- is this a bond fund? > > > > > > > > No, it's a Fidelity mutual fund - FNMIX. There are some other funds > > > > > > in my MS Money Fidelity portfolio that have the same problem. > > > > > > However, in the online account, the overall portfolio return is > > > > > > different than that report by Money. My other non Fidelity accounts > > > > > > seem right on. > > > > > > > I don't use that column, but for a stock it matches the Market Value > > > > > column. > > > > > > > I am inferring that the word "equity" is being used to distinguish > > > > > stocks (equity) as opposed to debt investments such as bonds. This > > > > > would be like definition 2 > > > > > ofhttp://www.investorwords.com/1726/equity.html. I expect that for a > > > > > balanced fund, it would have a number that is roughly half of the > > > > > Market Value column. > > > > > > > This is Fidelity's description of that > > > > > fund:http://content.members.fidelity.com/...10836,00.html#... > > > > > By "debt securities" I think they mean non-stocks, such as bonds or > > > > > commercial paper. > > > > > > > I do suggest that you might consider configuring in the Price > > > > > Appreciation column. In a taxable account, this can be useful when > > > > > you are looking for capital losses to take.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > > I still don't understand why it says down by 37%. Where does that > > > > come from? > > > > > What is the actual column heading on the column where you see/saw > > > the -37%? Are you sure you are not looking at the "Ann. Ret." > > > column?- Hide quoted text - > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > Sorry. I was looking at "Gain", which is actually a dollar amount and > > not a percentage. BTW, this is the same value as "Price > > Appreciation". > Those will match until you get dividends/distributions. Remember > that dividends are real money. > > > If the market value is $1022.13 and the cost basis is $1059.54, that > > gives -$37.41, the number I confused with a percentage. So far, so > > good. How does the "Equity Amount" column then get $5.21? If my Gain > > is a negative number, how can there be any equity? > > My inference is that of your $1022.13, that fund holds $5.21 of > value in equity (stocks or preferred stocks) and $1,016.92 in debt > securities (bonds, notes, repurchase obligations, etc). |
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| On Aug 7, 11:44 am, Cal Learner-- MVP <via_newsgr...[at]please.tnxwrote: - quote - > In microsoft.public.money, brett wrote:
Sorry. I was looking at "Gain", which is actually a dollar amount and> > On Aug 7, 8:53 am, Cal Learner-- MVP <via_newsgr...[at]please.tnx> wrote: > > > In microsoft.public.money, brett wrote: > > > > On Aug 6, 9:59 pm, Cal Learner-- MVP <via_newsgr...[at]please.tnx> wrote: > > > > > In microsoft.public.money, brett wrote: > > > > > > I'm using MS Money 2004 SB. I have a fund that the equity is less > > > > > > than the cost basis. It doesn't seem to make since given the > > > > > > purchases and current price on that fund. I made two purchases: > > > > > > 6/5 50.437 [at] $14.87 = $750 > > > > > > 6/6 20.229 [at] 14.83 = $300 > > > > > > plus a small dividend. Last price was $14.33 and my avg cost is > > > > > > $14.854. Gain is -37.41%. Cost basis is $1059.54 and equity is > > > > > > $5.21. My market value on this fund is $1022.13. > > > > > > Given those numbers, how can the fund be down by 37.41% and equity be > > > > > > only $5.21? My market value matches that in the online broker > > > > > > account. > > > > > The word equity seems to have a lot of meanings. > > > > > Taking a stab-- is this a bond fund? > > > > No, it's a Fidelity mutual fund - FNMIX. There are some other funds > > > > in my MS Money Fidelity portfolio that have the same problem. > > > > However, in the online account, the overall portfolio return is > > > > different than that report by Money. My other non Fidelity accounts > > > > seem right on. > > > I don't use that column, but for a stock it matches the Market Value > > > column. > > > I am inferring that the word "equity" is being used to distinguish > > > stocks (equity) as opposed to debt investments such as bonds. This > > > would be like definition 2 ofhttp://www.investorwords.com/1726/equity.html. I expect that for a > > > balanced fund, it would have a number that is roughly half of the > > > Market Value column. > > > This is Fidelity's description of that fund:http://content.members.fidelity.com/...10836,00.html#... > > > By "debt securities" I think they mean non-stocks, such as bonds or > > > commercial paper. > > > I do suggest that you might consider configuring in the Price > > > Appreciation column. In a taxable account, this can be useful when > > > you are looking for capital losses to take.- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - > > I still don't understand why it says down by 37%. Where does that > > come from? > What is the actual column heading on the column where you see/saw > the -37%? Are you sure you are not looking at the "Ann. Ret." > column?- Hide quoted text - > - Show quoted text - not a percentage. BTW, this is the same value as "Price Appreciation". If the market value is $1022.13 and the cost basis is $1059.54, that gives -$37.41, the number I confused with a percentage. So far, so good. How does the "Equity Amount" column then get $5.21? If my Gain is a negative number, how can there be any equity? |
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| In microsoft.public.money, brett wrote: - quote - > On Aug 7, 8:53 am, Cal Learner-- MVP <via_newsgr...[at]please.tnx> wrote:
What is the actual column heading on the column where you see/saw> > In microsoft.public.money, brett wrote: > > > On Aug 6, 9:59 pm, Cal Learner-- MVP <via_newsgr...[at]please.tnx> wrote: > > > > In microsoft.public.money, brett wrote: > > > > > I'm using MS Money 2004 SB. I have a fund that the equity is less > > > > > than the cost basis. It doesn't seem to make since given the > > > > > purchases and current price on that fund. I made two purchases: > > > > > > 6/5 50.437 [at] $14.87 = $750 > > > > > 6/6 20.229 [at] 14.83 = $300 > > > > > > plus a small dividend. Last price was $14.33 and my avg cost is > > > > > $14.854. Gain is -37.41%. Cost basis is $1059.54 and equity is > > > > > $5.21. My market value on this fund is $1022.13. > > > > > > Given those numbers, how can the fund be down by 37.41% and equity be > > > > > only $5.21? My market value matches that in the online broker > > > > > account. > > > > > The word equity seems to have a lot of meanings. > > > > > Taking a stab-- is this a bond fund? > > > > No, it's a Fidelity mutual fund - FNMIX. There are some other funds > > > in my MS Money Fidelity portfolio that have the same problem. > > > However, in the online account, the overall portfolio return is > > > different than that report by Money. My other non Fidelity accounts > > > seem right on. > > > I don't use that column, but for a stock it matches the Market Value > > column. > > > I am inferring that the word "equity" is being used to distinguish > > stocks (equity) as opposed to debt investments such as bonds. This > > would be like definition 2 ofhttp://www.investorwords.com/1726/equity.html. I expect that for a > > balanced fund, it would have a number that is roughly half of the > > Market Value column. > > > This is Fidelity's description of that fund:http://content.members.fidelity.com/...10836,00.html#... > > By "debt securities" I think they mean non-stocks, such as bonds or > > commercial paper. > > > I do suggest that you might consider configuring in the Price > > Appreciation column. In a taxable account, this can be useful when > > you are looking for capital losses to take.- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - > I still don't understand why it says down by 37%. Where does that > come from? the -37%? Are you sure you are not looking at the "Ann. Ret." column? |
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| On Aug 7, 8:53 am, Cal Learner-- MVP <via_newsgr...[at]please.tnx> wrote: - quote - > In microsoft.public.money, brett wrote:
I still don't understand why it says down by 37%. Where does that> > On Aug 6, 9:59 pm, Cal Learner-- MVP <via_newsgr...[at]please.tnx> wrote: > > > In microsoft.public.money, brett wrote: > > > > I'm using MS Money 2004 SB. I have a fund that the equity is less > > > > than the cost basis. It doesn't seem to make since given the > > > > purchases and current price on that fund. I made two purchases: > > > > 6/5 50.437 [at] $14.87 = $750 > > > > 6/6 20.229 [at] 14.83 = $300 > > > > plus a small dividend. Last price was $14.33 and my avg cost is > > > > $14.854. Gain is -37.41%. Cost basis is $1059.54 and equity is > > > > $5.21. My market value on this fund is $1022.13. > > > > Given those numbers, how can the fund be down by 37.41% and equity be > > > > only $5.21? My market value matches that in the online broker > > > > account. > > > The word equity seems to have a lot of meanings. > > > Taking a stab-- is this a bond fund? > > No, it's a Fidelity mutual fund - FNMIX. There are some other funds > > in my MS Money Fidelity portfolio that have the same problem. > > However, in the online account, the overall portfolio return is > > different than that report by Money. My other non Fidelity accounts > > seem right on. > I don't use that column, but for a stock it matches the Market Value > column. > I am inferring that the word "equity" is being used to distinguish > stocks (equity) as opposed to debt investments such as bonds. This > would be like definition 2 ofhttp://www.investorwords.com/1726/equity.html. I expect that for a > balanced fund, it would have a number that is roughly half of the > Market Value column. > This is Fidelity's description of that fund:http://content.members.fidelity.com/...10836,00.html#... > By "debt securities" I think they mean non-stocks, such as bonds or > commercial paper. > I do suggest that you might consider configuring in the Price > Appreciation column. In a taxable account, this can be useful when > you are looking for capital losses to take.- Hide quoted text - > - Show quoted text - come from? |
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| In microsoft.public.money, brett wrote: - quote - > On Aug 6, 9:59 pm, Cal Learner-- MVP <via_newsgr...[at]please.tnx> wrote:
I don't use that column, but for a stock it matches the Market Value> > In microsoft.public.money, brett wrote: > > > I'm using MS Money 2004 SB. I have a fund that the equity is less > > > than the cost basis. It doesn't seem to make since given the > > > purchases and current price on that fund. I made two purchases: > > > > 6/5 50.437 [at] $14.87 = $750 > > > 6/6 20.229 [at] 14.83 = $300 > > > > plus a small dividend. Last price was $14.33 and my avg cost is > > > $14.854. Gain is -37.41%. Cost basis is $1059.54 and equity is > > > $5.21. My market value on this fund is $1022.13. > > > > Given those numbers, how can the fund be down by 37.41% and equity be > > > only $5.21? My market value matches that in the online broker > > > account. > > > The word equity seems to have a lot of meanings. > > > Taking a stab-- is this a bond fund? > No, it's a Fidelity mutual fund - FNMIX. There are some other funds > in my MS Money Fidelity portfolio that have the same problem. > However, in the online account, the overall portfolio return is > different than that report by Money. My other non Fidelity accounts > seem right on. column. I am inferring that the word "equity" is being used to distinguish stocks (equity) as opposed to debt investments such as bonds. This would be like definition 2 of http://www.investorwords.com/1726/equity.html . I expect that for a balanced fund, it would have a number that is roughly half of the Market Value column. This is Fidelity's description of that fund: http://content.members.fidelity.com/....html#overview By "debt securities" I think they mean non-stocks, such as bonds or commercial paper. I do suggest that you might consider configuring in the Price Appreciation column. In a taxable account, this can be useful when you are looking for capital losses to take. |
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| In microsoft.public.money, brett wrote: - quote - > I'm using MS Money 2004 SB. I have a fund that the equity is less
The word equity seems to have a lot of meanings.> than the cost basis. It doesn't seem to make since given the > purchases and current price on that fund. I made two purchases: > 6/5 50.437 [at] $14.87 = $750 > 6/6 20.229 [at] 14.83 = $300 > plus a small dividend. Last price was $14.33 and my avg cost is > $14.854. Gain is -37.41%. Cost basis is $1059.54 and equity is > $5.21. My market value on this fund is $1022.13. > Given those numbers, how can the fund be down by 37.41% and equity be > only $5.21? My market value matches that in the online broker > account. Taking a stab-- is this a bond fund? |
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| On Aug 6, 9:59 pm, Cal Learner-- MVP <via_newsgr...[at]please.tnx> wrote: - quote - > In microsoft.public.money, brett wrote:
No, it's a Fidelity mutual fund - FNMIX. There are some other funds> > I'm using MS Money 2004 SB. I have a fund that the equity is less > > than the cost basis. It doesn't seem to make since given the > > purchases and current price on that fund. I made two purchases: > > 6/5 50.437 [at] $14.87 = $750 > > 6/6 20.229 [at] 14.83 = $300 > > plus a small dividend. Last price was $14.33 and my avg cost is > > $14.854. Gain is -37.41%. Cost basis is $1059.54 and equity is > > $5.21. My market value on this fund is $1022.13. > > Given those numbers, how can the fund be down by 37.41% and equity be > > only $5.21? My market value matches that in the online broker > > account. > The word equity seems to have a lot of meanings. > Taking a stab-- is this a bond fund? in my MS Money Fidelity portfolio that have the same problem. However, in the online account, the overall portfolio return is different than that report by Money. My other non Fidelity accounts seem right on. |
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| I'm using MS Money 2004 SB. I have a fund that the equity is less than the cost basis. It doesn't seem to make since given the purchases and current price on that fund. I made two purchases: 6/5 50.437 [at] $14.87 = $750 6/6 20.229 [at] 14.83 = $300 plus a small dividend. Last price was $14.33 and my avg cost is $14.854. Gain is -37.41%. Cost basis is $1059.54 and equity is $5.21. My market value on this fund is $1022.13. Given those numbers, how can the fund be down by 37.41% and equity be only $5.21? My market value matches that in the online broker account. Thanks, Brett |
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