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| As Chris notes, the two **should** add up in the Account Summary to match, say, account total values you see on statements. Most 401(k) plans, when reflected properly in Money, have relatively low cash balances. (This is because most responsible plans don't sit on the contribution money for long before getting it invested.) If you aren't seeing believable values in the total on Account Summary, there's still investigation to be done. One way, for instance, that the account Summary value can be dorked up if the value of the investments isn't good. There are LOTS of ways that can happen (bear markets for one) but one to be concerned about is this: say your plan has a "XYZ Corp Plan Vanguard Windsor Fund". Say you associated the Money Investment you defined for this with the Vanguard Windsor symbol VWNDX. Money downloads the per share value of VWNDX and applies it to your shares to get to the investment value. But in this case, the fund you are investing in isn't VWNDX. It's "XYZ Corp Plan Vanguard Windsor Fund" for which there is no symbol/quote that will work that Money can get. If the per unit value of the "XYZ Corp Plan Vanguard Windsor Fund" is, say 5x the real NAV quoted for VWNDX but you've downloaded your share balance that's roughly 1/5 of what it would be were it in "real" VWNDX, Money will reduce the value of your investment by a factor of 5. This is just one of many possible examples of a bad reason for your Account Summary total to not be sane. "D Alexander" <DAlexander[at]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:843BFCE0-8CA2-4462-9B8B-87C93436BEA9[at]microsoft.com... - quote - > There are the investment transactions. > The cash transactions. > And the account summary. > One would think the first 2 would add up in the summary. I have to go to a > calculator or a report to see the total of my account. I don't have much > use > for reports. I won't to see in the register. |
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| "D Alexander" <DAlexander[at]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:843BFCE0-8CA2-4462-9B8B-87C93436BEA9[at]microsoft.com... - quote - > [snip]
The cash listed in the summary and the cash account should only be> There are the investment transactions. > The cash transactions. > And the account summary. > One would think the first 2 would add up in the summary ... what's left uninvested, after deposits, purchases, sales, and dividends. If you're not listing the cash account as the source of the purchases, and as the destination for deposits, sales, and dividends, that won't be the case. -- Chris Cowles Gainesville, FL |
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| I'm sorry for the criptic explenation of what I'm trying convey here. Everything you said sounds just as what MS Money is doing. I guess I just don't like the way it reports my money in the register. When I look at the total balance of my 401k I have to actually go to a report to see if its totaling up correctly. I don't like it and from what you have explained there's no way around it. There are the investment transactions. The cash transactions. And the account summary. One would think the first 2 would add up in the summary. I have to go to a calculator or a report to see the total of my account. I don't have much use for reports. I won't to see in the register. But thank you so much for your help. I'll just have to live with it. "Dick Watson" wrote: - quote - > I'm not sure you provide enough information to tell what's happening. In > particular, it's not clear to me what you mean when you write "The cash that > I put into the account is being downloaded and put in as a payment not as a > deposit". > The normal best practice, ignoring downloaded data--which can have > deleterious effects for all too many reasons: > 1) setup a Money 401(k) Account that has both an Investment Account portion > and a Cash Account portion. > 2) account for the money flowing into the account with, typically, transfers > from Paycheck transactions entered in your checking account to the 401(k) > Investment Cash Account which account for all of the contribution and/or > employer match/contribution flowing into the 401(k). These transfers > increase the cash balance of the 401(k) Investment Cash Account. > 3) "Buy Investment/CD" transactions entered in the 401(k) Investment Cash > Account that buy Investments, held in the 401(k) Investment Account, in > whatever vehicles you hold in the plan. These transactions match the > behavior of the plan. Further, they increase the value of the 401(k) > Investment Account portion and reduce the cash balance of the 401(k) > Investment Cash Account. The combined value+cash balance of the 401(k) > Investment Account and the 401(k) Investment Cash Account represents the > total amount in the real world 401k account. > If you can explain what you are doing/seeing in terms like these, perhaps we > can help more. > "D Alexander" <DAlexander[at]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > news:3791800F-5C0F-4B60-85D9-3D81732DD9CF[at]microsoft.com... > > I have a 401k that I'm tracking. When I look at the total value, it is > > much > > less then it should be. The cash that I put into the account is being > > downloaded and put in as a payment not as a deposit which makes my cash > > input > > look like a negative. You would think it would add up to the whole total > > of > > the account, not as a seperate item and in a negative amount. Can anyone > > tell > > why it does this and how maybe to fix it. |
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| I'm not sure you provide enough information to tell what's happening. In particular, it's not clear to me what you mean when you write "The cash that I put into the account is being downloaded and put in as a payment not as a deposit". The normal best practice, ignoring downloaded data--which can have deleterious effects for all too many reasons: 1) setup a Money 401(k) Account that has both an Investment Account portion and a Cash Account portion. 2) account for the money flowing into the account with, typically, transfers from Paycheck transactions entered in your checking account to the 401(k) Investment Cash Account which account for all of the contribution and/or employer match/contribution flowing into the 401(k). These transfers increase the cash balance of the 401(k) Investment Cash Account. 3) "Buy Investment/CD" transactions entered in the 401(k) Investment Cash Account that buy Investments, held in the 401(k) Investment Account, in whatever vehicles you hold in the plan. These transactions match the behavior of the plan. Further, they increase the value of the 401(k) Investment Account portion and reduce the cash balance of the 401(k) Investment Cash Account. The combined value+cash balance of the 401(k) Investment Account and the 401(k) Investment Cash Account represents the total amount in the real world 401k account. If you can explain what you are doing/seeing in terms like these, perhaps we can help more. "D Alexander" <DAlexander[at]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:3791800F-5C0F-4B60-85D9-3D81732DD9CF[at]microsoft.com... - quote - > I have a 401k that I'm tracking. When I look at the total value, it is > much > less then it should be. The cash that I put into the account is being > downloaded and put in as a payment not as a deposit which makes my cash > input > look like a negative. You would think it would add up to the whole total > of > the account, not as a seperate item and in a negative amount. Can anyone > tell > why it does this and how maybe to fix it. |
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| If anyone can help. I have a 401k that I'm tracking. When I look at the total value, it is much less then it should be. The cash that I put into the account is being downloaded and put in as a payment not as a deposit which makes my cash input look like a negative. You would think it would add up to the whole total of the account, not as a seperate item and in a negative amount. Can anyone tell why it does this and how maybe to fix it. Thanks |
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