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01-17-2007, 12:05 AM
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 Re: Money '07: Too many backups "Jeffrey Kaplan" <nomail[at]gordol.org> wrote in message news:l61oq2lg66p81124glheuj2a4daf7ooohp[at]gordol.org... - quote - > It is alleged that Art McClinton claimed:
is stolen it likewise might be stolen. I keep mine in a fire safe in a> > 3 is a small number for the hard drive. I have seen people with problems > > that try multiple times before they decide it is a corrupted file and > > that > > they need to go back to an earlier version. I run with it at 6 and find > > that is all that is stored on the hard drive. External drive is another > > issue. that one grows every time until I delete them. As you said the > > purpose of the external backup is to have a version that is not with the > > computer when it is stolen or the catches fire. Thus one needs to look > > at > > the pain of getting the USB out of its safe location and backing up and > > returning to its location. On the other side the pain of re-entering the > > data during the gap. Thus a week or two is a reasonable pain level. I > > choose 7 days, but often will postpone the second backup when I do not > > wish > > to go get the USB drive. > The most painful part is taking the card out of its case. Which sits > on my desk, below the card reader. > -- > Jeffrey Kaplan www.gordol.org > The from userid is killfiled Send personal mail to gordol Thus in a fire it as well as the drive go up in smoke. Even if the machine different part of the house. On a 4-6 week basis I swap it with the one that I keep in my banks safety deposit box. |
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01-16-2007, 08:46 PM
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| Re: Money '07: Too many backups Yes, it's a bug in Money -- I thought that's what a "known problem" meant. -- Michael Gordon "Jeffrey Kaplan" <nomail[at]gordol.org> wrote in message news:csnnq2lv9j2k4oglon5h14rlknrf6stcs1[at]gordol.org... - quote - > It is alleged that Michael Gordon claimed: > > A known problem with removable media, Jeffrey -- only solution is to > > periodically delete older backups manually. > Then this is a bug in Money. And what about the multiple backups on > the hard drive beyond the configured amount? > -- > Jeffrey Kaplan www.gordol.org > The from userid is killfiled Send personal mail to gordol > DISCLAIMER: The subatomic particles (electrons, protons, etc.) > comprising this product are exactly the same in every measurable > respect as those used in the products of other manufacturers, and no > claim to the contrary may legitimately be expressed or implied. |
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01-16-2007, 04:47 AM
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| Re: Money '07: Too many backups It is alleged that Cal Learner-- MVP claimed: - quote - > OK. Keeping the more frequent backups on the hard drive, and less
Oh, ok.> frequent on the flash drive would be to save the eventual manual > pruning and possible handling. - quote - > Incidentally, for disaster recovery backups, an off-site backup
Something to think about, certainly.> would be a nice addition. With strong encryption, it could even be > on your ISP's web server. -- Jeffrey Kaplan www.gordol.org The from userid is killfiled Send personal mail to gordol "It's pink!" "I've heard that pink can soothe the insane." - Torg&Riff and the Real Estate agent, Sluggy Freelance |
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#8
01-15-2007, 10:38 PM
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| Re: Money '07: Too many backups In microsoft.public.money, Jeffrey Kaplan wrote: - quote - > This last "why" was asking why to decrease the backup frequency from
OK. Keeping the more frequent backups on the hard drive, and less> once a day to once a week. Which seems counter to what was being > suggested about keeping +more+ backups than I'm current set to. frequent on the flash drive would be to save the eventual manual pruning and possible handling. Incidentally, for disaster recovery backups, an off-site backup would be a nice addition. With strong encryption, it could even be on your ISP's web server. |
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01-15-2007, 10:20 PM
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| Re: Money '07: Too many backups It is alleged that Cal Learner-- MVP claimed: - quote - > > Why? The only reason why I even want a backup is for disaster
Ok, noted.> > recovery. Backup on the hard drive in case my primary data file gets > > corrupted, backup to removable media in case my hard drive goes bad. > You would want 30 for the same reason you would want 3: suppose > there was a problem that you did not notice right away. Why not/ If > you don't have a bunch of extra space then don't do it. I don't > forsee filling up my hard drive. If I got close, then I might delete > the older files. I set mine for 99 since I had this mostly empty 200 > GB drive. - quote - > > > will not write the backup. So buying a 4 GB drive to work around
This last "why" was asking why to decrease the backup frequency from> > > this could bring a different problem to work around. I would also > > > increase the period for the "Perform scheduled backups ever [ 1] > > > days". If it really bothers you, you could probably make a script > > > Why? This way, it backs up basically every time I use it, which is > > what I want. > Why? Were you paying attention? If you don't want to get a bigger > drive or write a script, then don't. If your purpose was just to > vent, sorry for interrupting with what would be possible. once a day to once a week. Which seems counter to what was being suggested about keeping +more+ backups than I'm current set to. -- Jeffrey Kaplan www.gordol.org The from userid is killfiled Send personal mail to gordol "Evil sometimes wears a pleasant face." (Markab Ambassador, B5 "The Long Dark") |
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01-15-2007, 09:53 PM
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| Re: Money '07: Too many backups In microsoft.public.money, Jeffrey Kaplan wrote: - quote - > It is alleged that Cal Learner-- MVP claimed:
You would want 30 for the same reason you would want 3: suppose> > > [x] Automatically back up... > > > Save in: [path-to-harddrive-backup] > > > [ ] Ask me before backing up > > > [ ] Compress backup files > > > Keep only the [ 3] most recent > > > I would increase that number considerably assuming you have a lot of > > space on the hard drive. > Why? The only reason why I even want a backup is for disaster > recovery. Backup on the hard drive in case my primary data file gets > corrupted, backup to removable media in case my hard drive goes bad. there was a problem that you did not notice right away. Why not/ If you don't have a bunch of extra space then don't do it. I don't forsee filling up my hard drive. If I got close, then I might delete the older files. I set mine for 99 since I had this mostly empty 200 GB drive. - quote - > > > [x] Perform scheduled backups ever [ 1] days
Why? Were you paying attention? If you don't want to get a bigger> > > Save in: [path-to-removable-drive] > > > [x] Ask me before backing up > > > [x] Compress backup files > > > Keep only the [ 3] most recent > > > > > > > In the hard drive location, there are five backups, one with the > > > extension 'mnp' and four with 'mbf'. The mnp one is dated three days > > > ago, long after I upgraded. > > > I had never heard of a *.mnp file, but a search indicates that it is > > probably from Ultrasoft Money. > I do use US Money. > > > In the external location, I have +15+ Money backup files. All mbf > > > files, going back to the beginning of December. > > > If you are asking how to make the automated backup to the USB flash > > drive honor the "Keep only the [ 3] most recent", you can't. If > That is exactly what I'm asking. > > Money 2007 sees the drive as removable, it does not honor that > > setting. It's what most people would call a bug. In the scheme of > > things, it is a fairly minor bug. > Ok, it's a known bug. > > A bigger drive that lets you delete the old ones less often as they > > accumulate would be the best workaround. There's another one: if > > there is more than 2 GB of free space on the USB flash drive, Money > I'm using a 128M SD card (why waste it when I upgraded to a larger card > in my Treo?). > > will not write the backup. So buying a 4 GB drive to work around > > this could bring a different problem to work around. I would also > > increase the period for the "Perform scheduled backups ever [ 1] > > days". If it really bothers you, you could probably make a script > Why? This way, it backs up basically every time I use it, which is > what I want. drive or write a script, then don't. If your purpose was just to vent, sorry for interrupting with what would be possible. |
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01-15-2007, 09:51 PM
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| Re: Money '07: Too many backups It is alleged that Art McClinton claimed: - quote - > 3 is a small number for the hard drive. I have seen people with problems
The most painful part is taking the card out of its case. Which sits> that try multiple times before they decide it is a corrupted file and that > they need to go back to an earlier version. I run with it at 6 and find > that is all that is stored on the hard drive. External drive is another > issue. that one grows every time until I delete them. As you said the > purpose of the external backup is to have a version that is not with the > computer when it is stolen or the catches fire. Thus one needs to look at > the pain of getting the USB out of its safe location and backing up and > returning to its location. On the other side the pain of re-entering the > data during the gap. Thus a week or two is a reasonable pain level. I > choose 7 days, but often will postpone the second backup when I do not wish > to go get the USB drive. on my desk, below the card reader. -- Jeffrey Kaplan www.gordol.org The from userid is killfiled Send personal mail to gordol If I Am Ever the Sidekick... 17. If I am flying a one-man craft which is critically damaged, I will eject. Only if the ejector seat fails will I belt out a long, despairing, agonized scream as I fly the craft into an enemy structure. |
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01-15-2007, 08:18 PM
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| Re: Money '07: Too many backups "Jeffrey Kaplan" <nomail[at]gordol.org> wrote in message news:junnq2hrkauk5eokbsmm3sj8j739g671na[at]gordol.org... - quote - > It is alleged that Cal Learner-- MVP claimed:
that try multiple times before they decide it is a corrupted file and that> > > [x] Automatically back up... > > > Save in: [path-to-harddrive-backup] > > > [ ] Ask me before backing up > > > [ ] Compress backup files > > > Keep only the [ 3] most recent > > > I would increase that number considerably assuming you have a lot of > > space on the hard drive. > Why? The only reason why I even want a backup is for disaster > recovery. Backup on the hard drive in case my primary data file gets > corrupted, backup to removable media in case my hard drive goes bad. 3 is a small number for the hard drive. I have seen people with problems they need to go back to an earlier version. I run with it at 6 and find that is all that is stored on the hard drive. External drive is another issue. that one grows every time until I delete them. As you said the purpose of the external backup is to have a version that is not with the computer when it is stolen or the catches fire. Thus one needs to look at the pain of getting the USB out of its safe location and backing up and returning to its location. On the other side the pain of re-entering the data during the gap. Thus a week or two is a reasonable pain level. I choose 7 days, but often will postpone the second backup when I do not wish to go get the USB drive. |
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01-15-2007, 07:17 PM
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| Re: Money '07: Too many backups It is alleged that Cal Learner-- MVP claimed: - quote - > > [x] Automatically back up...
Why? The only reason why I even want a backup is for disaster> > Save in: [path-to-harddrive-backup] > > [ ] Ask me before backing up > > [ ] Compress backup files > > Keep only the [ 3] most recent > I would increase that number considerably assuming you have a lot of > space on the hard drive. recovery. Backup on the hard drive in case my primary data file gets corrupted, backup to removable media in case my hard drive goes bad. - quote - > > [x] Perform scheduled backups ever [ 1] days
I do use US Money.> > Save in: [path-to-removable-drive] > > [x] Ask me before backing up > > [x] Compress backup files > > Keep only the [ 3] most recent > > > > In the hard drive location, there are five backups, one with the > > extension 'mnp' and four with 'mbf'. The mnp one is dated three days > > ago, long after I upgraded. > I had never heard of a *.mnp file, but a search indicates that it is > probably from Ultrasoft Money. - quote - > > In the external location, I have +15+ Money backup files. All mbf
That is exactly what I'm asking.> > files, going back to the beginning of December. > If you are asking how to make the automated backup to the USB flash > drive honor the "Keep only the [ 3] most recent", you can't. If - quote - > Money 2007 sees the drive as removable, it does not honor that
Ok, it's a known bug.> setting. It's what most people would call a bug. In the scheme of > things, it is a fairly minor bug. - quote - > A bigger drive that lets you delete the old ones less often as they
I'm using a 128M SD card (why waste it when I upgraded to a larger card> accumulate would be the best workaround. There's another one: if > there is more than 2 GB of free space on the USB flash drive, Money in my Treo?). - quote - > will not write the backup. So buying a 4 GB drive to work around
Why? This way, it backs up basically every time I use it, which is> this could bring a different problem to work around. I would also > increase the period for the "Perform scheduled backups ever [ 1] > days". If it really bothers you, you could probably make a script what I want. -- Jeffrey Kaplan www.gordol.org The from userid is killfiled Send personal mail to gordol Tips for the Innocent Bystander: 47. Stay away from all buildings or natural features of the landscape that resemble skulls, fists, fanged mouths, etc. |
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01-15-2007, 07:10 PM
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| Re: Money '07: Too many backups It is alleged that Michael Gordon claimed: - quote - > A known problem with removable media, Jeffrey -- only solution is to
Then this is a bug in Money. And what about the multiple backups on> periodically delete older backups manually. the hard drive beyond the configured amount? -- Jeffrey Kaplan www.gordol.org The from userid is killfiled Send personal mail to gordol DISCLAIMER: The subatomic particles (electrons, protons, etc.) comprising this product are exactly the same in every measurable respect as those used in the products of other manufacturers, and no claim to the contrary may legitimately be expressed or implied. |
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01-14-2007, 06:16 PM
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| Re: Money '07: Too many backups In microsoft.public.money, Jeffrey Kaplan wrote: - quote - > I have Money Deluxe '07 set to create a backup onto a removable media.
I would increase that number considerably assuming you have a lot of> My prior version ('02) would keep one backup on the media and just > update/replace it every time. This version is making a new one every > time, leaving all prior backups in place. Now, before you tell me > where to find the settings to control this, I went to Tools \ Settings > \ Backup Settings and this is what I have: > [x] Automatically back up... > Save in: [path-to-harddrive-backup] > [ ] Ask me before backing up > [ ] Compress backup files > Keep only the [ 3] most recent space on the hard drive. - quote - > [x] Perform scheduled backups ever [ 1] days
I had never heard of a *.mnp file, but a search indicates that it is> Save in: [path-to-removable-drive] > [x] Ask me before backing up > [x] Compress backup files > Keep only the [ 3] most recent > In the hard drive location, there are five backups, one with the > extension 'mnp' and four with 'mbf'. The mnp one is dated three days > ago, long after I upgraded. probably from Ultrasoft Money. - quote - > In the external location, I have +15+ Money backup files. All mbf
If you are asking how to make the automated backup to the USB flash> files, going back to the beginning of December. drive honor the "Keep only the [ 3] most recent", you can't. If Money 2007 sees the drive as removable, it does not honor that setting. It's what most people would call a bug. In the scheme of things, it is a fairly minor bug. A bigger drive that lets you delete the old ones less often as they accumulate would be the best workaround. There's another one: if there is more than 2 GB of free space on the USB flash drive, Money will not write the backup. So buying a 4 GB drive to work around this could bring a different problem to work around. I would also increase the period for the "Perform scheduled backups ever [ 1] days". If it really bothers you, you could probably make a script with your favorite scripting language to automate the pruning of the older files. A driver for the USB driver that indicated that the drive was non-removable would make the number be honored also. I don't know where you would get such a driver. |
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01-14-2007, 06:14 PM
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| Re: Money '07: Too many backups A known problem with removable media, Jeffrey -- only solution is to periodically delete older backups manually. -- Michael Gordon "Jeffrey Kaplan" <nomail[at]gordol.org> wrote in message news:q1tkq25vcpogbk09ia7r1lvk85nq49vpn9[at]gordol.org... - quote - > I have Money Deluxe '07 set to create a backup onto a removable media. > My prior version ('02) would keep one backup on the media and just > update/replace it every time. This version is making a new one every > time, leaving all prior backups in place. Now, before you tell me > where to find the settings to control this, I went to Tools \ Settings > \ Backup Settings and this is what I have: > [x] Automatically back up... > Save in: [path-to-harddrive-backup] > [ ] Ask me before backing up > [ ] Compress backup files > Keep only the [ 3] most recent > [x] Perform scheduled backups ever [ 1] days > Save in: [path-to-removable-drive] > [x] Ask me before backing up > [x] Compress backup files > Keep only the [ 3] most recent > In the hard drive location, there are five backups, one with the > extension 'mnp' and four with 'mbf'. The mnp one is dated three days > ago, long after I upgraded. > In the external location, I have +15+ Money backup files. All mbf > files, going back to the beginning of December. > -- > Jeffrey Kaplan www.gordol.org > The from userid is killfiled Send personal mail to gordol > If I Am Ever the Sidekick... 21. I will never open a package addressed > to the Hero, or pick up his laundry, or perform other personal tasks on > his behalf. |
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01-14-2007, 05:30 PM
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| Money '07: Too many backups I have Money Deluxe '07 set to create a backup onto a removable media. My prior version ('02) would keep one backup on the media and just update/replace it every time. This version is making a new one every time, leaving all prior backups in place. Now, before you tell me where to find the settings to control this, I went to Tools \ Settings \ Backup Settings and this is what I have: [x] Automatically back up... Save in: [path-to-harddrive-backup] [ ] Ask me before backing up [ ] Compress backup files Keep only the [ 3] most recent [x] Perform scheduled backups ever [ 1] days Save in: [path-to-removable-drive] [x] Ask me before backing up [x] Compress backup files Keep only the [ 3] most recent In the hard drive location, there are five backups, one with the extension 'mnp' and four with 'mbf'. The mnp one is dated three days ago, long after I upgraded. In the external location, I have +15+ Money backup files. All mbf files, going back to the beginning of December. -- Jeffrey Kaplan www.gordol.org The from userid is killfiled Send personal mail to gordol If I Am Ever the Sidekick... 21. I will never open a package addressed to the Hero, or pick up his laundry, or perform other personal tasks on his behalf. |
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