Befor you jump to Quicken read their forums. I have been a Quicken user for a
long time and with Vista Ultimate installed my Quicken Deluxe 2007 doesn't
work. Now I'm looking for M$ Money to do the same job. Doesn't take much to
chap my ass and change products.

"Marty00131" wrote:

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Actually I purchased it before reading this discussion thread. I read Tom's
suggestion below for Inesoft's Pocket Cash Organizer & it looks like it runs
on Windows Mobile 5 and syncs with Money 07. It fits my criteria. I'll be
checking it out over the weekend. I'll let you know how it works out. I may
be back on the MS bandwagon. I really prefer the tools & layout better than
the Intuit offering.

Marty

"Dick Watson" wrote:

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I stand somewhat corrected--apparently the Ultrasoft Money for PPC isn't out
just yet.

"Dick Watson" <littlegreengecko[at]mind-enufalready-spring.com> wrote in
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I'll take that as a no, Quicken/Intuit does not offer a PocketPC version.

One may be available from a 3rd party. The same can be said for Money. It's
from a company called Ultrasoft (www.ultrasoft.com). But a few people are
really put out that Microsoft seems uninterested in spending their
shareholder's money to develop and give away Money for Pocket PC. That was
the prime basis for the thread.

Did you consider the Ultrasoft PocketPC offering before jumping to Quicken
and the Landware offering?

"Marty00131" <Marty00131[at]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
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I find this thread very interesting. Thanks for that.

To answer your question, "Do they (Quicken/Intuit) offer a PocketPC
version?", yes they do. I just purchased it. It costs 39.95 and syncs with
Quicken. It's from a company called Landware (www.landware.com).

I was willing to pay the premium for the convenience of having my finances
available to me on my Windows Mobile 5 phone. One of the main reasons I've
had issues being able to keep up with inputting my finances in a personal
financial manager in the past is that I didn't have convenient access to my
data (carrying my phone & pda was a hassle--hence one merged device).

I agree that it's a shame that MS or a third party isn't supporting a
product for the PocketPC platform to sync with Money. I understand that it's
a business decision, but it did cost them at least one sale, mine, even
though I prefer the MS Money product to Quicken.

Marty

"Dick Watson" wrote:

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Jesus, what fucking rock did you crawl out from underneath?

This group is for people who use the product and need help with it.
Your comments, opinionated, based upon fact or NOT, are not needed or
welcomed here.


Dick Watson wrote:
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Let me give you one other data point to consider. Contrast the number of
countries Office and Vista are localized for and marketed in with the number
of countries Money is localized for and marketed in. Office and Vista have
dozens of languages supported and are marketed in probably over 100
countries. Money used to have maybe half a dozen localizations. IIRC, it's
now down to two. Even Canada wasn't worth the trouble to them--and how hard
could that have been? They even spell check like we do. Quicken has
explicitly abandoned the market in the UK. Money seems to implicitly be
abandoning the UK.

Yes, you and people like you will have an influence on the market. Microsoft
will drop the product completely. I'm sure if the shareholders of Microsoft
think this is not a wise business move, they will sell their shares. If they
think it's a wise move, they will buy. I bet they won't really care.

And I ask you again: then what competitive product do you have in mind? It's
such a lucrative market, surely there must be one...

<daworldwide[at]hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Comments to two of your points below.

<daworldwide[at]hotmail.com> wrote in message
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I don't. I infer it from the amount they seem willing to reinvest in the
product line. I also infer it from the price it typically sells for, some
guess as to the cost of those sales, and some futher inference about the
possible size of the total market per year. (I also infer it from a lot more
than a passing glance at what it costs to design, develop, test, release and
support complex software in an environment with exactly one customer--this
is what I do for a living. I can only guess how much worse it is with
several million customers.) Any of it facts re. Microsoft's business case
for Money software development? Heck no. (I also have no clue how much money
they make from the ads and tie-ins delivered by Money nor any thoughts as to
how to estimate it.) Microsoft doesn't release that data. But look at how
much they invest in Office and the operating systems. When I learned some of
this "the market rules" stuff I learned that investment naturally follows
return. What did you learn? I've also looked at Intuit's publically released
data about the sales and profitability of their business segments. Quicken?
Lots of sales. Least profitable thing they do. And they have, by estimates
I've read, 70% of the market for personal finance management software. That
leaves Microsoft dividing up the remaining 30% with All Others.

What are your facts that suggest Money is a cash cow for Microsoft and the
only reason they don't invest more in Pocket Money is just to piss you off?
(This despite it's incredible popularity and how much revenue it generates
for Microsoft in additional sales of copies of Money that retail for about
$20 after rebate and are sold at wholesale for maybe $10 and cost maybe $2
or $3 to reproduce, package, warehouse, and distribute.) Oh, and don't
forget to factor in support costs. I'd bet they spend nearly as much or more
on support per Money license sold through all channels than they do per
Office license. Facts? None. Just a hunch considering the typical user and
the number of layers of intervening support available to the bulk of Office
users and not available to the typical Money user.

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You bet. Ever heard of Toyota and Honda? Where's the Toyota or Honda in the
personal finance software marketplace? Doesn't it occur to you that if this
were such a profitable market, there'd be lots of software developers just
dying to compete here? Tell me where this competition is please. I'd jump
from Money to the Honda of this market faster than you can say "I want my
Pocket Money and I'm gonna cry till I get it". Is google interested in
developing a Money replacement? Heck no. They want to go after Office.

But believe what you want.

Dick-

How do YOU KNOW it isn't making enough revenue? Please fill us all in
with your facts that you stand behind.

Yes, my not upgrading, my complaints to other people looking to
upgrade, and my influence on others NOT to purchase products, times the
others here in this post WILL influence the outcome of the shareholders
over time. Poorly developed and supported products as determined BY
THE END USER do influence the market.

Ever heard of GM?


Dick Watson wrote:
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Do they offer a PocketPC version?

Let us know how it goes. Of particular interest to many of us will be what
you do about data migration.

"dg" <g[at]s.net> wrote in message news:12q3hh0dadljnff[at]news.supernews.com...
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I'm probably going to be forced to move back to Quicken because of this.
--
DG
- "Keep an open mind, not a blank one."

daworldwide[at]hotmail.com wrote:
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It's not that the program is unused. It's that it doesn't produce enough
revenue to make a return on the investment. And I stand by that.

I can't see that the shareholders of MSFT have suffered appreciably since
you haven't upgraded.

Don't get me wrong. It's not that I don't appreciate your desire for the
pocket app and so forth. But until you make an effort to understand the
business realities of this market from MSFT's point of view, you'll just
waste energy whining for nothing. Once you have some understanding of the
business realities at work here, then you will stop wasting the energy
whining because you'll realize the hopelessness of it all. Believe me, I've
been there, done that. I've been writing wish lists for Money since 1994.
I've all but given up. What's the point? It is what it is.

<daworldwide[at]hotmail.com> wrote in message
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It's absolutely unbelievable. I started a thread in September stating
that the program manager(s) for Money need fired, and I stand behind
it. It's kept me from:

(A) Replacing my well worn Pocket PC w/2003 premium for a new unit.

and

(B) Kept me from ugrading to Money 2007.

That's a complete knockout for Microsoft and their mobile and
productivity initiatives as far as my personal life is concerned. What
complete and TOTAL idiots.

I had aresponse from my thread that stated to the effect that the
program managers probably got promoted for saving money by not wasting
time on development of an unused program to the thanks of the
shareholders.

Yeah, well the shareholders didn't see my upgrade revenue either. Gee,
I might even have to go back to Palm....


Beth wrote:
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