On 2007-02-02, Mark Horn <mark[at]hornclan.com> wrote:
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I went through all of my backup files from Nov 13-25. When I
restored them in Money, all of them had online access enabled
in Money. What I infer from this is that Money determines whether
online access is enabled by something other than the file itself.

So when MS disables M04's online access, I should be able to install
M04 onto a clean OS, restore a previous backup of my .mny file.
My hope is that on a clean OS, M04 will not have online updates
disabled. In which case, I hope to be able to to import OFX files
directly from my bank. This would be a step in the right direction
towards keeping me on M04 instead of being forced into M07 or later.

On 2007-02-01, Glyn Simpson, MVP <glyn[at]serf.org> wrote:
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I'm not convinced of this. For me, when we went through this in
November, my M04 online updates didn't get turned off until I did
an online update. When I came back to this newsgroup to figure out
what was going on, I noticed that others had been experiencing this
for a couple of days.

What I infer from this, is that the online activity is what
triggered it. Look also at what we had to do to get it turned
back on. We had to initiate direct online activity. I have a
strong suspiscion that avoiding online activity can avoid getting
this feature turned off. What I'm hoping is that doing this will
still enable me to use OFX Web downloads from my bank. I have no
way to test this, but based on the last time we went through this,
I'm hopeful that this will be the case.

I've looked at the OFX protocol. As far as I'm aware, it does
not have any mechanisms for a bank to instruct the software as
to what is and isn't allowed. The lack of this features is what
prompted Intuit to extend OFX into QFX so that they could disable
features in Quicken based on licensing agreements with the bank.
So I'm skeptical if Microsoft will be able to disable features in
Money through an OFX Web download from my bank.

In any case, I'm hopeful. I wish, back in November, I would have
thought to try and experiment with what did and didn't work.
I'd want to try this:

* install Money onto a clean OS and see if I could continue to
import OFX from web statements

* install Money onto a clean OS and see if I could continue to do
direct connections to the bank (i.e. from w/in Money) but exclude
connections to Microsoft.

* copy my disabled .mny file onto the clean install and see if the
disabled-ness traveled with the file or with the money installation.

* If the disabled-ness traveled with the installation, then find
a registry monitoring tool to figure out what changed in the
install between enabled and disabled.

My entire goal of this would be to continue to be able to import
OFX statements from my bank's website. I fully understand no
longer supporting quotes. I fully understand no longer supporting
bugfixes, etc. But disabling an interaction between me and my bank
is none of Microsoft's business. So my goal would be to retain
that interaction.

.... I wonder if I can go to the backup of the disabled file from
Novemember and do some level of experimentation... hmmm...

I don't think you can avoid it like this. I believe the think the import of
OFX statements is disabled at 2 or 3 years, dependent on version and it
could be initiated both by the client and server.

The option to recover accounts does not get disabled though (ie you can
import recovered accounts, but not new statements) . I'm not sure how the
mechanism works, but i'm sure it'll be something in the file as well as
online (as people will have started up Money 2004 at different times)

--
Glyn Simpson, Microsoft MVP - Money
http://money.mvps.org

See http://money.mvps.org/faq/default.aspx for tips and fixes for MS Money.
To send Microsoft your product wishes see http://money.mvps.org/wishes.aspx

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"Mark Horn" <mark[at]hornclan.com> wrote in message
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On 2006-11-20, Steve <steven_morrison69[at]hotmail.com> wrote:
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Sorry to follow-up to a post from over 2 months ago, but after having
thought about it for a while, I wonder whether or not MS did this
on purpose. Maybe they turned off downloads intentionally to see
how big of a problem this would create in the wild. I think that
this helps them get a handle on how many people will upgrade to M08
when it does come out, and they permanantly turn off M04 downloads.

I also wonder, based on the way that this happened, if you can avoid
this problem by stopping downloading altogether. Then instead, you
could go to the bank's website and download the OFX files directly
from the bank. Since M04 won't have received the notice from MS
to turn itself off, you should be able to continue (in perpetuity)
to import OFX files.

If this works, I'll still lose quote downloads and the ability to do
direct billpay through my bank. But it seems to me that might be a
smaller loss in functionality than the migration from M04 to M07/M08.

$.02

On 2006-11-20, Ronald Pierce <ron[at]pierceplace.net> wrote:
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Really?

(time passes)

Woo hoo!

Cool. Those are some huge data files. I'm guessing that you must be using
the Business stuff a lot and that's a source of the size. At any rate, it'd
be great to have a Business edition user as a regular poster. Among the
regulars there's approximately Zero experience there.

Cal,

I just bought Money 2007 and upgraded. I wish the "we have a problem"
statement came a little ealier

--
Manohar Kamath


"Cal Learner-- MVP" <via_newsgroup[at]please.tnx> wrote in message
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On Mon, 20 Nov 2006 21:31:18 GMT, Mark Horn <mark[at]hornclan.com> wrote:

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I agree - I suspect the Advanced Budget won't be around in M08.

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Online Services.

- Ron

Read some other thread tails on this subject. Apparently the change they
made overshot the situation. They have a new update that will put you back
in business until the EULA says they will expire you.

"L Cramer" <lzcramer[at]yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Yes, the problem is fixed. Thanks to all. It helped knowing the problem
was global and would likely get fixed.


"Cal Learner-- MVP" <via_newsgroup[at]please.tnx> wrote in message
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In my case, Dick, I bought M2004 Prem in Aug 2005 from Amazon after someone
on this board pointed out its value: $12, 3 years of online service, and
its superiority to the then current offering. Well, I guess $12 for 1 year
and 2 months of service isn't too bad a deal. My Eula says:

"Microsoft Money 2004 Deluxe/Microsoft Money 2004 Premium/Microsoft Money
2004 Small Business: The earlier of three (3) years after your activation
of the SOFTWARE PRODUCT or September 1, 2007."



"Dick Watson" <littlegreengecko[at]mind-enufalready-spring.com> wrote in
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What have they done that pleases you?
I really like the fact that MSN BillPay(CheckFree) was fixed in 2007 and we
now have the option to use it.
I also like the fact that the look and feel of the program is more easier to
use and easier on the eyes (Although alot of people dont like the webbased
way now)
Also like the idea that with almost every version of money more and more
banks are supported

The S&SB (60% budget)?
I do not like the Savings and Spending budget for the main reason you loose
control over alot of the items and honestly I beleive this is for people who
make alot more money then me

How much data do you have in Money?
Currently I have about 25 files with over nine years of data in total.
(Different years quarters.. etc make for the ammount of files) Largest file
just hit 190Megs

How many versions have you bought?
I own money 99-07 currently have installed and use occasionaly except for 07
which is constantly used 03,04,05,05UK,06,07 (All small bussiness except for
the 03,04 and 05UK)

How long have you been using it for your day-to-day personal finances?
Since version 99 (Favorite version is still 04)

How dependent on it are
you for managing your personal finances?
I am extremely dependent on this for paying my bills and managing my debt if
I lost it I would be extremely devastated

Do you use the Essential * modes?
Never ever liked the essential modes but have used them.

Steve

On 2006-11-20, Ronald Pierce <ron[at]pierceplace.net> wrote:
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Yes, I know. But the fact that they've hidden the advanced budget
does not suggest an encouraging trend. I suspect that it won't be
included in M08.

Moreover, if you look at the M07 license, they now say that they
can expire online services whenever they want.

So, my fear with M07 is that I'll get my budget the way that I
like it. But then be forced to M08 which won't have the budget
that I like.

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True, but it makes sense to re-evaluate when my preferences are no
longer being met.

They conceded and fixed the error. That pleased me. And I said so. They may
have called it an "improvement", but at least they addressed it fairly
quickly.

In some strange way, Nuke-the-Bills was a good thing. It pleased me. Enough
to move to M07. Of course why it took such a brutal method--with so much
manual involvement by the user--to fix problems that Money surely created in
its own data set in the first place is another interesting question.

They also "improved" the broken entry of scheduled Loan Payments with the
M07 QFE. I was very pleased with that. I was less pleased that they
"de-improved" it in the first place and shipped it this way. I also wasn't
real impressed when users got feedback from Support that the RTM code was
"working as designed" and its behavior was, essentially, a feature.

Beyond that, I think we are definitely on a different wavelength. They want
to build an application as portal site. Try to attract everybody to ads with
anything it takes to attract them. If that means taking any rigor out of the
product so as to reduce support costs and widen the net for potential ad
viewers, that's fine with them. If they designed cars, they'd not worry
about things like anti-lock brakes because "most users" are much more
interested in, say, the shape of the radio knobs. I want to do personal
finance management with a reasonably rigorous and capable tool but don't
want to invest a huge effort in finishing my replacement Access solution.
That's a tough pair of outlooks to reconcile.

And you? You're a fairly recent arrival here at the newsgroup (though you
may have been lurking for a long time or been here under another name). What
have they done that pleases you? The S&SB (60% budget)? MEss? How much data
do you have in Money? How many versions have you bought? How long have you
been using it for your day-to-day personal finances? How dependent on it are
you for managing your personal finances? Do you use the Essential * modes?
These aren't intended to be confrontational questions. I'm just curious. My
history with the product is pretty much on the record here. Yours, not so
much.

"Steve" <steven_morrison69[at]hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Dick,
Can they do anything that you are pleased with?
I beleive they probobly just caught wind of this issue and acted upon it
accordingly atleast they fixed it and didnt tell everone they are SOL since
technically the agreement states they can change it at any time
Steve

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Steve
steven_morrison69[at]hotmail.com



"Dick Watson" <littlegreengecko[at]mind-enufalready-spring.com> wrote in
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I'm surprised by two things:

1) That they didn't catch an error that should have been easily caught with
even a rudimentary attempt at testing the boundary conditions.

2) That they are sucking it up and saying it's an error and fixing it.

The latter improves my opinion of the Money team. The former, well, ...

"Cal Learner-- MVP" <via_newsgroup[at]please.tnx> wrote in message
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In microsoft.public.money, Manohar Kamath wrote:

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There was an error that should be corrected now.

1. Open Money.

2. Do an Update Now.

3. Close and Reopen Money.

4. The expiration message in the Reminders section should now be
removed you should have access to online services.

Sometimes these fixes take a while to propagate. So if it does not
work immediately, try again later.

On Mon, 20 Nov 2006 07:38:09 GMT, Mark Horn <mark[at]hornclan.com> wrote:

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as I thought I had another year!
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command in the address bar (yes - it does have a use!).

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was a tough choice sitching to M2000 from Q1999. I haven't wanted to
bother going back. Can't take the the effort lightly. The ironic
thing is that the budget for Q1999 wasn't very good either - and
that's what drove me to M2000.
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into many. I know it's all a matter of preference/opinion than
anything else - both will manage $$$ just fine.

- Ron

I wondered that as well. One "expired" user tried File|New--that file
wouldn't get online services, either. Of course that doesn't exclude some
design like "If any files get expired, set a registry flag to expire all
files."

"Bob Peel, MVP" <bob_peel[at]kiandra.freeserve.co.uk.INVALID> wrote in message
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On 2006-11-19, Dick Watson <littlegreengecko[at]mind-enufalready-spring.com> wrote:
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Well, I'm quite certain that I didn't purchase M04 until around
Jan/Feb 04. I've never purchased a single copy of Money. I've
always waited until CompUSA (usually) had it bundled with TaxCut.
Typically, I've paid around $25 for TaxCut, TaxCut State & Money.

So, I'm 100% certain that the very first time that I installed Money
2004 Deluxe is less than 3 years ago. Although I don't know the
exact date. January 04 would have been the earliest and April 04
would have been the latest.

(Just another data point.)