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  #35  
Old 12-17-2006, 08:34 PM
Dick Watson
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Default Re: Contemplating switching back to Quicken

It's probably better than nothing. But there's lots of stuff it explicitly
says it doesn't convert and a little playing around with what you can put in
the two reports it has you use (Account transactions report and Investment
transactions report) will indicate that there's a lot more that won't get
there this way as well. That's the best case.

Speaking as someone who's take the same approach to get a new set of data
out of the reports, I can say that reality is that there are also a lot of
complications in stitching the report data back into transactions and things
like Transfers and so forth. (Loans were particularly complicated and take
one more report per loan account, so maybe that's why they skip them.) My
expectation from this experience would not be high.

But if you try it, please let us know how it goes. Many of us perennially
ponder ways to move beyond Money.

"Howie" <nothere[at]this.time> wrote in message
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> Does this tool not work very well?:
> https://quicken.custhelp.com/cgi-bin...p?p_faqid=5521



  #34  
Old 12-17-2006, 08:12 PM
Bob Peel, MVP
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See http://umpmfaq.info/faqdb.php?q=125

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Bob Peel,
Microsoft MVP - Money

For UK tips & fixes see
http://support.microsoft.com/default...d=fh;EN-GB;mny.


I do not respond to any emails that I have not specifically asked for.

"Howie" <nothere[at]this.time> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 2 Nov 2006 22:44:32 -0500, "Remove ABCD from Email address to
> reply" <neil154ABCD[at]earthlink.net> wrote:
> > All this talk about switching from Money to Quicken is very interesting
> > and
> > I also would consider it except for the conversion process.
> > > I have 15 years worth of data (over 50 meg) in Money 2004 and have tried

> > converting the data to Quicken with much trouble. Is there anyone who has
> > an easy way of getting data from Money into Quicken ( I don't use
> > budgeting,
> > but use planners, investing, banking, loans, assets).

> Does this tool not work very well?:
> https://quicken.custhelp.com/cgi-bin...p?p_faqid=5521
> --Howie


  #33  
Old 12-17-2006, 06:00 PM
Howie
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On Thu, 2 Nov 2006 22:44:32 -0500, "Remove ABCD from Email address to
reply" <neil154ABCD[at]earthlink.net> wrote:

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> All this talk about switching from Money to Quicken is very interesting and
> I also would consider it except for the conversion process.
> I have 15 years worth of data (over 50 meg) in Money 2004 and have tried
> converting the data to Quicken with much trouble. Is there anyone who has
> an easy way of getting data from Money into Quicken ( I don't use budgeting,
> but use planners, investing, banking, loans, assets).


Does this tool not work very well?:
https://quicken.custhelp.com/cgi-bin...p?p_faqid=5521


--Howie
  #32  
Old 11-04-2006, 12:30 AM
Ronald Pierce
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On Fri, 3 Nov 2006 06:14:13 -0000, "Bob Peel, MVP"
<bob_peel[at]kiandra.freeserve.co.uk.INVALID> wrote:

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> AFAIK no. Quicken doesn't even read QIF files!

I am no expert in this - but I have played around with Quicken 2006 -
thinking of switching. You can import QIF files into Q - but it takes
the right format, and a bit of added information. Here is apost in
the Intuit User Forums from John Pollard (who is also active on the
ALT.COMP.SOFTWARE.FINANCIAL.QUICKEN newsgroup) that describes how to
do it.
http://www.quickenforums.com/thread....6896#500006896

Also, could use something like MT2OFX to convert QIF, etc to QFX.
http://www.xs4all.nl/~csmale/mt2ofx/en/


- Ron

  #31  
Old 11-03-2006, 11:28 AM
Mark Horn
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On 2006-11-03, Bob Peel, MVP <bob_peel[at]kiandra.freeserve.co.uk.INVALID> wrote:
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> AFAIK no. Quicken doesn't even read QIF files!

Wow! That's right. I completely forgot about that. Hmmm...
  #30  
Old 11-03-2006, 05:14 AM
Bob Peel, MVP
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AFAIK no. Quicken doesn't even read QIF files!

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Microsoft MVP - Money

For UK tips & fixes see
http://support.microsoft.com/default...d=fh;EN-GB;mny.


I do not respond to any emails that I have not specifically asked for.

"Remove ABCD from Email address to reply" <neil154ABCD[at]earthlink.net> wrote
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- quote -

> All this talk about switching from Money to Quicken is very interesting
> and I also would consider it except for the conversion process.
> I have 15 years worth of data (over 50 meg) in Money 2004 and have tried
> converting the data to Quicken with much trouble. Is there anyone who has
> an easy way of getting data from Money into Quicken ( I don't use
> budgeting, but use planners, investing, banking, loans, assets).
> --
> Neil
> "About Financial Software" <aboutfinsoft[at]gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1162392427.403205.240020[at]b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> > I write about both Quicken and Microsoft Money for my work. I have
> > been using Quicken for about two decades and I can't get used to
> > Microsoft Money's screen refreshing (I run 2 gig of ram/7200 rpm/cable
> > broadband) and the ads drive me buggy.
> > > Navigating Money is not an automatic process for me because the layout

> > of the program is somewhat different than Quicken, which I'm used to.
> > Money's navigation is not a negative, I'm just saying it is difficult
> > for a long-time Quicken user to adjust to. There are features in
> > Quicken that seem more automated than in Money as well.
> > > MoneyDance has been around for awhile. It is more basic and less

> > intuitive to use than Quicken or Microsoft Money, and I believe you
> > would be disappointed with it.
> > > I think the closest thing to a Quicken/Money replacement is

> > SplashMoney, but it will only work if you have a Palm PDA, or at least
> > the Palm conduit installed on your computer. It is a Palm app, but has
> > an excellent desktop application that accompanies the Palm app.
> > SplashMoney review:
> > http://financialsoft.about.com/od/pd...lashmoney4.htm
> > > Mvelopes is another possible application, but I think it is expensive

> > and the application and your data resides on Mvelopes servers.
> > Personally, Mvelopes "scares me" because I like my data on my local
> > drive and backup solutions myself, but a lot of people are happy with
> > Mvelopes and it does provide excellent encryption so I'm probably just
> > paranoid. I think I have the only objective review of Mvelopes on the
> > Internet - every other review I read is a shrouded marketing pitch.
> > Mvelopes review:
> > http://financialsoft.about.com/od/re...r/Mvelopes.htm
> > > As for Linux-based personal finance apps, I like GnuCash best. Here's

> > a quick round up of personal finance software for Linux:
> > http://financialsoft.about.com/od/so...ux_FinSoft.htm
> > > If you have any other questions regarding alternatives to Quicken and

> > Microsoft Money, you please do not hesitate to post them to my forum at
> > http://financialsoft.about.com/mpboards.htm so you can get a variety of
> > opinions. It's my job to try to help people find the right financial
> > software for their needs.
> > > Blessings,
> > > Shelley Elmblad

> > About Financial Software
> > http://financialsoft.about.com
> > > Jake wrote:
> > > I've been using MSMoney 2007 for a couple months.. I've been a Quicken
> > > user for 10+ years prior. I like some features of MS Money but despise
> > > others, enough so that I'm considering switching back.. The annoyances
> > > far outweigh the good aspects.
> > > > > > Some of my biggest complaints
> > > > > 1) It's a browser based application. What this means to me as a user is
> > > that it's constantly refreshing, and delaying me from using the
> > > product. It's SLOW ....
> > > > > 2) MS Money detects dividends that my investments are going to pay out
> > > in the near future and prompts me ...
> > > > > 3) Online Bill Payment.
> > > > > -a) The only way I've found to pay bills in MS Money is to go to the
> > > Bills Summary and enter them there...
> > > > > -b) My choices for a bill payment date are..
> > > > > -c) When I pay a bill I would rather it "Queue" it up with others...
> > > > > Quicken's bill payment is so much simplier and easier to use.
> > > > > 4) Finally.. I'm beginning to think BEYOND Microsoft as a computing
> > > platform for personal needs.
> > > > > > > Bryan

>


  #29  
Old 11-03-2006, 02:44 AM
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All this talk about switching from Money to Quicken is very interesting and
I also would consider it except for the conversion process.

I have 15 years worth of data (over 50 meg) in Money 2004 and have tried
converting the data to Quicken with much trouble. Is there anyone who has
an easy way of getting data from Money into Quicken ( I don't use budgeting,
but use planners, investing, banking, loans, assets).

--

Neil


"About Financial Software" <aboutfinsoft[at]gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1162392427.403205.240020[at]b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
- quote -

> I write about both Quicken and Microsoft Money for my work. I have
> been using Quicken for about two decades and I can't get used to
> Microsoft Money's screen refreshing (I run 2 gig of ram/7200 rpm/cable
> broadband) and the ads drive me buggy.
> Navigating Money is not an automatic process for me because the layout
> of the program is somewhat different than Quicken, which I'm used to.
> Money's navigation is not a negative, I'm just saying it is difficult
> for a long-time Quicken user to adjust to. There are features in
> Quicken that seem more automated than in Money as well.
> MoneyDance has been around for awhile. It is more basic and less
> intuitive to use than Quicken or Microsoft Money, and I believe you
> would be disappointed with it.
> I think the closest thing to a Quicken/Money replacement is
> SplashMoney, but it will only work if you have a Palm PDA, or at least
> the Palm conduit installed on your computer. It is a Palm app, but has
> an excellent desktop application that accompanies the Palm app.
> SplashMoney review:
> http://financialsoft.about.com/od/pd...lashmoney4.htm
> Mvelopes is another possible application, but I think it is expensive
> and the application and your data resides on Mvelopes servers.
> Personally, Mvelopes "scares me" because I like my data on my local
> drive and backup solutions myself, but a lot of people are happy with
> Mvelopes and it does provide excellent encryption so I'm probably just
> paranoid. I think I have the only objective review of Mvelopes on the
> Internet - every other review I read is a shrouded marketing pitch.
> Mvelopes review:
> http://financialsoft.about.com/od/re...r/Mvelopes.htm
> As for Linux-based personal finance apps, I like GnuCash best. Here's
> a quick round up of personal finance software for Linux:
> http://financialsoft.about.com/od/so...ux_FinSoft.htm
> If you have any other questions regarding alternatives to Quicken and
> Microsoft Money, you please do not hesitate to post them to my forum at
> http://financialsoft.about.com/mpboards.htm so you can get a variety of
> opinions. It's my job to try to help people find the right financial
> software for their needs.
> Blessings,
> Shelley Elmblad
> About Financial Software
> http://financialsoft.about.com
> Jake wrote:
> > I've been using MSMoney 2007 for a couple months.. I've been a Quicken
> > user for 10+ years prior. I like some features of MS Money but despise
> > others, enough so that I'm considering switching back.. The annoyances
> > far outweigh the good aspects.
> > > > Some of my biggest complaints
> > > 1) It's a browser based application. What this means to me as a user is

> > that it's constantly refreshing, and delaying me from using the
> > product. It's SLOW ....
> > > 2) MS Money detects dividends that my investments are going to pay out

> > in the near future and prompts me ...
> > > 3) Online Bill Payment.
> > > -a) The only way I've found to pay bills in MS Money is to go to the

> > Bills Summary and enter them there...
> > > -b) My choices for a bill payment date are..
> > > -c) When I pay a bill I would rather it "Queue" it up with others...
> > > Quicken's bill payment is so much simplier and easier to use.
> > > 4) Finally.. I'm beginning to think BEYOND Microsoft as a computing

> > platform for personal needs.
> > > > Bryan



  #28  
Old 11-02-2006, 12:17 AM
Chris Cowles
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While they cannot be disabled entirely, have you set the option in setup to
reduce them?
--
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Gainesville, FL



"About Financial Software" <aboutfinsoft[at]gmail.com> wrote in message
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- quote -

> I write about both Quicken and Microsoft Money for my work. I have
> been using Quicken for about two decades and I can't get used to
> Microsoft Money's screen refreshing (I run 2 gig of ram/7200 rpm/cable
> broadband) and the ads drive me buggy.



  #27  
Old 11-01-2006, 01:47 PM
About Financial Software
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I write about both Quicken and Microsoft Money for my work. I have
been using Quicken for about two decades and I can't get used to
Microsoft Money's screen refreshing (I run 2 gig of ram/7200 rpm/cable
broadband) and the ads drive me buggy.

Navigating Money is not an automatic process for me because the layout
of the program is somewhat different than Quicken, which I'm used to.
Money's navigation is not a negative, I'm just saying it is difficult
for a long-time Quicken user to adjust to. There are features in
Quicken that seem more automated than in Money as well.

MoneyDance has been around for awhile. It is more basic and less
intuitive to use than Quicken or Microsoft Money, and I believe you
would be disappointed with it.

I think the closest thing to a Quicken/Money replacement is
SplashMoney, but it will only work if you have a Palm PDA, or at least
the Palm conduit installed on your computer. It is a Palm app, but has
an excellent desktop application that accompanies the Palm app.
SplashMoney review:
http://financialsoft.about.com/od/pd...lashmoney4.htm

Mvelopes is another possible application, but I think it is expensive
and the application and your data resides on Mvelopes servers.
Personally, Mvelopes "scares me" because I like my data on my local
drive and backup solutions myself, but a lot of people are happy with
Mvelopes and it does provide excellent encryption so I'm probably just
paranoid. I think I have the only objective review of Mvelopes on the
Internet - every other review I read is a shrouded marketing pitch.
Mvelopes review:
http://financialsoft.about.com/od/re...r/Mvelopes.htm

As for Linux-based personal finance apps, I like GnuCash best. Here's
a quick round up of personal finance software for Linux:
http://financialsoft.about.com/od/so...ux_FinSoft.htm

If you have any other questions regarding alternatives to Quicken and
Microsoft Money, you please do not hesitate to post them to my forum at
http://financialsoft.about.com/mpboards.htm so you can get a variety of
opinions. It's my job to try to help people find the right financial
software for their needs.

Blessings,

Shelley Elmblad
About Financial Software
http://financialsoft.about.com

Jake wrote:
- quote -

> I've been using MSMoney 2007 for a couple months.. I've been a Quicken
> user for 10+ years prior. I like some features of MS Money but despise
> others, enough so that I'm considering switching back.. The annoyances
> far outweigh the good aspects.
> > Some of my biggest complaints

> 1) It's a browser based application. What this means to me as a user is
> that it's constantly refreshing, and delaying me from using the
> product. It's SLOW ....
> 2) MS Money detects dividends that my investments are going to pay out
> in the near future and prompts me ...
> 3) Online Bill Payment.
> -a) The only way I've found to pay bills in MS Money is to go to the
> Bills Summary and enter them there...
> -b) My choices for a bill payment date are..
> -c) When I pay a bill I would rather it "Queue" it up with others...
> Quicken's bill payment is so much simplier and easier to use.
> 4) Finally.. I'm beginning to think BEYOND Microsoft as a computing
> platform for personal needs.
> Bryan


  #26  
Old 11-01-2006, 11:08 AM
Mark Horn
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On 2006-10-31, Chris Cowles <spam_magnet[at]remove-me-bellsouth.net> wrote:
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> Are you expecting an 'ASAP' payment to post in Money with today's date?

No. I'm not. I'm expecting an ASAP payment to post with whatever
the bank tells it to post with. What I wouldn't expect is the
behavior that the OP is experiencing: the bank says ASAP is today,
and under certain circumstances this fails. That (to me at least)
seems like an error with the provider, not an error with Money or
how it's used.

My *ONLY* point in this to the OP is that I think Money is behaving
as designed, but that his bank has poorly implemented the billpay
functionality so that it causes errors. I really don't think this
is an error in Money.
  #25  
Old 11-01-2006, 12:22 AM
Jake
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Mark Horn <mark[at]hornclan.com> wrote in
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> > > When you are setting up an electronic bill pay in Money, at the
> > > bottom there's a button labeled "Save Draft".

> The save draft button is not in the global settings area. When you
> double click on a bill to pay it, it's the middle button at the
> bottom.


I swear that button wasn't there yesterday... :O



- quote -

> I think that you can achieve the same functionality but you're
> going to have to do things slightly different than in Quicken.
> * You can schedule a bill pay from the register. You just have to
> use that menu.
> * It sounds like your bill pay provider doesn't behave well w/Money.
> So, you may have to use the "other date" workaround or try a
> different billpay provider.


The provider *IS* my bank - Bank Of America. It's free so I'm not
going to change to a paid service for certain.. The lead time data is
there, I just don't think Money is reading it.. Maybe it's the time of
day I choose to pay bills, someone else mentioned that... I'll pay more
attention in the near future and try to figure this out..

- quote -

> Good luck.


Thanks for all your help
  #24  
Old 10-31-2006, 11:26 PM
Chris Cowles
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Are you expecting an 'ASAP' payment to post in Money with today's date?
What I believe Money and the bank do is process it as soon as the bank's
bureaucracy permits. That might be the next business day, depending on how
much they distance themselves from 'real time' processing. But, even if
they do that, the date posted in Money might well be the date they expect
delivery?

As another respondent replied, it's probably related to the bank you use,
as well. Mine does not appear to do that.

I just tried this with a small vendor that requires my bank to send paper
checks. I entered today's date for payment. When saved, it told me the
earliest it would make the payment is 11/6, with withdrawal on 11/1. When I
clicked Yes, it posted the payment in my register with a date of 11/1.


"Mark Horn" <mark[at]hornclan.com> wrote in message
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> Ok. Is there something that you disagree with me on this? I'm
> saying that the problem associated with ASAP payments failing has
> never happened to me, and I suspect it has to do with the interface
> that my bank implements with Money.
> And, as far as I can tell, you're saying the same. That doesn't
> (to me) seem to be a problem with Money. To me, that's a problem
> with the bill pay provider.
> I'm confused. Am I saying something that's wrong?



  #23  
Old 10-31-2006, 06:28 PM
Dick Watson
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I only referred to your comment (Vista could have been called WinME 2nd
edition) as ignorant. I have few clues whether you are ignorant or not. Even
well informed people occasionally make ignorant comments.

"Jake" <Jaker00at[at]Yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Ah! Thanks BIG TIME for that one!!! These user groups are invaluable
> (minus the few people who can't resist calling someone ignorant)..



  #22  
Old 10-31-2006, 02:38 PM
Mark Horn
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On 2006-10-31, Jake <Jaker00at[at]Yahoo.com> wrote:
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> I had concluded that feature was exclusively for the
> sponsored epayment systems.. Maybe I'm wrong about that..


I don't use the sponsored bill pay provider. So since the menu
works for me, I conclude that it's for any bill pay provider.

- quote -

> It says it can not make tha payment by the date specified. My gripe is
> that since MSMoney has suggested the "ASAP payment date" to me, I would
> expect it to work, yet it never does and I have to send it again using
> the "Other date" option and entering a date that occurs after the
> suggested ASAP date.. My bank publishes lead times for payees and
> Quicken used to be "aware" of these and wouldn't let you enter a date
> that wouldn't work.


My bank does the same and in Money I don't see this problem.
I would tend to conclude that the problem is with the bill pay
provider that you're using. Maybe try another one?

- quote -

> > When you are setting up an electronic bill pay in Money, at the
> > bottom there's a button labeled "Save Draft".


[ ... ]

- quote -

> > Will this accomplish what you want?
> It might if I could figure out how to set it up.. I see in the global
> settings for bill settings the option "Save electronic payments as
> drafts instead of sending immediately" option and it is already
> checked.. I don't see the "Save payment" or "schedule draft" options..


The save draft button is not in the global settings area. When you
double click on a bill to pay it, it's the middle button at the
bottom.

- quote -

> It sounds like there may be a better way in MS Money then through the
> Bills Summary page and paying them individually.. Apparently I'm having
> trouble figuring that out..


I think that you can achieve the same functionality but you're
going to have to do things slightly different than in Quicken.

* You can schedule a bill pay from the register. You just have to
use that menu.

* It sounds like your bill pay provider doesn't behave well w/Money.
So, you may have to use the "other date" workaround or try a
different billpay provider.

Good luck.
  #21  
Old 10-31-2006, 02:22 PM
Mark Horn
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On 2006-10-31, Chris Cowles <spam_magnet[at]remove-me-bellsouth.net> wrote:
- quote -

> Because an ASAP payment intended for processing today will have a date in
> Money that reflects the earliest (conservative) date it will arrive.


Ok. Is there something that you disagree with me on this? I'm
saying that the problem associated with ASAP payments failing has
never happened to me, and I suspect it has to do with the interface
that my bank implements with Money.

And, as far as I can tell, you're saying the same. That doesn't
(to me) seem to be a problem with Money. To me, that's a problem
with the bill pay provider.

I'm confused. Am I saying something that's wrong?
  #20  
Old 10-31-2006, 02:09 PM
Michael Gordon
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They do a pretty good job of hiding stuff, right? I knew it was there
somewhere, but had to go to Help ("record dividends") to remember precisely
where. Glad I could help, Jake.

--
Michael Gordon


"Jake" <Jaker00at[at]Yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> "Michael Gordon" <gordonm[at]denison.edu> wrote in
> news:etejEE5#GHA.4740[at]TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl:
> > On #2, you can turn this off Portfolio Manager - Change Portfolio
> > Settings (under "other tasks")
> > Ah! Thanks BIG TIME for that one!!! These user groups are invaluable

> (minus the few people who can't resist calling someone ignorant)..
> I searched for such an option and never found it.. I guess I expected
> it be under "Settings" somewhere.. Shame on me for such a ridiculous
> expectation.. !
> Thanks again!



  #19  
Old 10-31-2006, 12:33 PM
Dick Watson
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'I thought I was addressing your whining item # 4.

"Jake" <Jaker00at[at]Yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> I'm not going to get into a pissing contest with you about Vista.. I'm
> obviously outmatched here..
> Besides, your basic assumption that I am out to convince you of anything
> is inaccurate at best..
> If you have some useful insight to the issues I posted about MS Money
> then please contribute.. Otherwise let's check the snotty remarks at the
> door.. and I'll take advice from the others who have responded kindly
> and generously offered their help..



  #18  
Old 10-31-2006, 06:28 AM
Jake
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Default Re: Contemplating switching back to Quicken

Dear Dick..

I'm not going to get into a pissing contest with you about Vista.. I'm
obviously outmatched here..

Besides, your basic assumption that I am out to convince you of anything
is inaccurate at best..


If you have some useful insight to the issues I posted about MS Money
then please contribute.. Otherwise let's check the snotty remarks at the
door.. and I'll take advice from the others who have responded kindly
and generously offered their help..




"Dick Watson" <littlegreengecko[at]mind-enufalready-spring.com> wrote in
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> Comments inline.
> "Jake" <Jaker00at[at]Yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns986C826542B91Bryanbahotmailcom[at]66.26.32.9...
> > > Except in portfolio manager, I do not see the effect you describe
> > > and surely not constantly by any regard. Maybe you should turn off
> > > the every twenty minute quote downloads?
> > > I've set it for 30 min.. It shifts down slightly EVERY time I enter

> > the portfolio.. It has nothing to do with the periodic quote
> > downloads..

> I don't see this and it hasn't been reported by others here. Maybe
> you're special? Open a support case with your firends at Microsoft
> Support. You have an insisde track. I'm sure they'll get you a hot fix
> quickly.
> > > Having used both, and not as a way to defend Vista, but that's just
> > > an incredibly ignorant comment. It's like calling a late breaking
> > > version of Linux nothing more than CP/M++. XP 2nd edition I could
> > > understand. WinME 2nd edition? The comment reduces the credibility
> > > of the rest of your post by an order of magnitude.
> > > You obviously have little experience with Vista.

> True. Only a month or two.
> > Being a former MS
> > employee in Windows tech support for the Windows OS (3.1 though XP)
> > for 10 years and retired from the company, I think I have both the
> > credibility to make such a statement and the experience to back it
> > up.

> I've not heard the beef yet. (Why is it former MS employees are always
> itching to throw that out? Are we supposed to be impressed? And in
> tech support no less. Wow. Can you spell "blame the user"? How about
> "working as designed"?)
> > Windows ME was junk and no one will disagree with that.

> I certainly wasn't.
> > Vista is the
> > same junk and it will be just as much of a headache to users (and
> > support staff) as ME was. It offers NOTHING that XP won't do.

> That's why I said XP 2nd edition was a more appropriate analogy. Vista
> is more stable at RC1 and before than WindowsME was on its most stable
> day ever. I agree that one is hard pressed to think of much generally
> applicable function that wasn't in XP and that isn't just so much
> flash-n-trash. Integrating SFU stuff comes to mind. (But it was a free
> add-on to WinXP.) It's pretty easy to think of **lots** of things
> Vista offers that WinME didn't offer. It's stable, for starters.
> > They've pulled out everything that was of value.

> The only think I've found I considered "pulled out" relative to XP was
> a generalized backup utility. The one they added may be better for the
> newbs who never back up anything. I'm more unhappy about all of the
> promised stuff that's dropped by the wayside over the years since
> Longhorn was first discussed. I was looking forward to WinFS. Even
> Monad should be there...
> > What's left is
> > bloatware, little icons that look like documents, and a harder to use
> > interface, plus a whole enchilada of security code that makes the OS
> > harder to use and substantially slower. The security measures are
> > layers of code added only because they've been brow-beaten by the
> > media and public about security.. It's 3GB on DVD where XP fit on a
> > single CD. Are you getting 3-4 times the features? I admit though it
> > is prettier..

> Yup, it's bigger. No doubt about that. The security access stuff, as
> of RC2, isn't all that annoying. As to reacting to the media/customers
> about security, I'd say they are damned if they do and damned if they
> don't. You typify the "do" side of that equation.
> > The driver models have been completely rewritten so as to support the
> > recording and motion picture cartels desire to lock the content to
> > the PC using DRM.

> I know this. What makes that like, even remotely, WinME????!?
> > Ignorant? I doubt it..

> You're still not convincing me. Nothing you've written hasn't been in
> hundreds of web articles/blogs so far.
> > The comment was also an analogy.. You know little about the Windows
> > code base's (9x and NT) and if you did you would have understood
> > what I said and why.

> And it was a very bad analogy, which was my point at the get go. What
> percentage of WinME code do you think--with your vast inside
> knowldege--migrated from the WinME code base to the Vista code base
> that wasn't also in XP? I'd be shocked if it was even 1%.
> > > > My plan is to use XP for as long as I can and then switch to Linux
> > > > when I absolutely have to. There's already a good office package
> > > > out there and plenty of email and media apps.
> > > > > Go for it.
> > > I will.. when I have to.. (as I previously stated).
> > > > > > There's also an upcoming
> > > > personal financial appliction called MoneyDance that has all the
> > > > basics.
> > > > > If basics are what you want, go for that also.
> > > > > I've tried it a year ago.. It imported all my account data from my

> > financial instutions - no problem. It's basic ideeed and so I'll wait
> > for more features.. They will come though
> > > I'm excited about Linux .. Although it's still in it's infancy, it

> > will eventually gain market share.. I've not been excited about
> > Windows since Windows 2k was released.

> OK by me. Most of us here are not associated with Microsoft Marketing
> and really couldn't care less. I'm one. I'd also note that several
> years ago was supposed to be the year of Linux on the desktop. Still
> waiting here... BTW, I also have one system running, currently, Suse.
> > > Your choices will be very limited and tend toward basic
> > > functionality. If that's your choice, go for it as well.
> > > Will do..

> Back to Money discussions...


  #17  
Old 10-31-2006, 06:12 AM
Jake
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Default Re: Contemplating switching back to Quicken

Cal Learner-- MVP <via_newsgroup[at]please.tnx> wrote in
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- quote -

> In microsoft.public.money, Jake wrote:
> > > Except in portfolio manager, I do not see the effect you describe and
> > > surely not constantly by any regard. Maybe you should turn off the
> > > every twenty minute quote downloads?
> > > I've set it for 30 min.. It shifts down slightly EVERY time I enter the

> > portfolio.. It has nothing to do with the periodic quote downloads..

> That is insufficient. Un-tick the setting.


Well you're right. It doesnt' do it if I uncheck the setting. But I
like it updating automatically.. So why then does updating numbers affect
the position of the data in the view? Seems like something inherent of
the browser based design that may not be fixable..
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Old 10-31-2006, 06:09 AM
Jake
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Default Re: Contemplating switching back to Quicken

Cal Learner-- MVP <via_newsgroup[at]please.tnx> wrote in
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- quote -

> In microsoft.public.money, Jake wrote:
> > Especially the portfolio when I click on an
> > account and by the time the application is done with whatver refreshing
> > it's doing it acknowledges the mouse click but now stuff has shifted on
> > the screen and the mouse click ends up on something I didn't intend to
> > click on.

> You may help the speed if you un-check
> Portfolio-> UpdatePrices-> UpdateAutomatically.


I don't think it's related to that setting.. There's a narrow gap that
forms right under the column heading in portfolio every time I go into the
portfolio. I can click on another window, come back to portfolio and it
does it again.. So it doesnt' seem dependent on the update time set in
that particular setting.. But it does appear to be updating though.. I
wish it would do so without shifting my stuff down.. it's minor but
annoying and characteristic of a cheap browser based app..

 

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