In microsoft.public.money, Ian Payne <Ian
Payne[at]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

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It's reported.

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As another user bitten by this bug, how do we report it so that it gets put
on the fix list?

"Cal Learner-- MVP" wrote:

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In microsoft.public.money, Brian Thorn wrote:

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Here is the workaround: add extra files onto the USB flash drive so
that there is less than 2 GB of free space. Then Money should write
to the drive fine.

Delete some extra junk files when you later want to free up space.

On Tue, 07 Nov 2006 22:26:54 -0600, Cal Learner-- MVP
<via_newsgroup[at]please.tnx> wrote:

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I'm having the exact problem Ray reported last August with Money 2007.
Trying to use my 4gb PNY Attache USB drive as my backup media, Money
says there isn't enough room even though the PNY has gigabytes of
space remaining.

The error message I get is...

"MONEY MULTIPLE DISK BACKUP
Money has filled the current disk.

Please insert Backup Disc 2 into the L:\ drive so that we may continue
to build your backup."

When I hit ENTER, another message appears...

"You have already used this disk for the current backup. Please remove
the disk and insert a different disk."

This problem happened on both XP Pro and when I did a clean-install
upgrade to Vista.

Did anyone ever find a solution to this? I'd rather not fill up my
flash drive just to make Money's backup work.

Brian

In microsoft.public.money, Joe Guidera wrote:

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Nice observation. I don't have a 4 gig flash drive, but I found your
report interesting.


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It's a problem if the volume in question has more than 2 GB free (even if the
volume is FAT32 or NTFS). I ran into this problem myself. Copied enough
stuff to the volume to get free space less than 2 GB and Bang! worked like a
champ again.

"Ray Wesley Kinserlow Jr." wrote:

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In microsoft.public.money, Dick Watson wrote:

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My suggestion was addressing what could be easily done today -- not
how I would want it to work. If you set the number to 2, you will
still get 10 if the drive holds 10. If you had the Flash drive set
to only get a backup once per week, you could incorporate the
pruning into your monthly burn to CD of backups.


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I don't remember having experimented to verify this, but I suspect
the method used successfully on the hard drives is to write the new
file, and count the files to see if they should delete the oldest. I
guess "circular" could be used to describe that, but I think of
circular as having a particular number of slots as in a circular
buffer. Guess this is semantics as to whether to call it circular.

comments inline

"Cal Learner-- MVP" <via_newsgroup[at]please.tnx> wrote in message
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But if I didn't want 10 generations, why'd I set it that way?

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Yah and they did expose the UI that suggests they might keep a circular
number of copies. But they don't even try.

In microsoft.public.money, Dick Watson wrote:

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You could just prune when you ran out of room. If you could hold 10,
you might prune 6 each time.



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I often speculate on that kind of thing. I suspect it is
skittishness to not break something else in the process. They have
one algorithm for removable drives which allows volume spanning, and
the fixed drive one which does not. Combining pruning with volume
spanning could be worrisome, I guess. You would think that there
would be some test to make it all viable. For example, if the volume
is bigger than 64 MB, don't span, and do prune instead. Or perhaps
you only check for needed pruning if you successfully complete the
backup on one volume. It does seem to be a trivial algorithm
contrasted to a lot of things, doesn't it.



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And, speaking as someone who through masochism or stupidity still insists on
backing up to floppies (as well as a bunch of other media types), the "pain"
of having to Alt+Tab to the explorer window/refresh/select/delete/Alt+Tab
back to Money/click enter to continue on EVERY floppy is significant.

"Cal Learner-- MVP" <via_newsgroup[at]please.tnx> wrote in message
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Agreed it's an "improvement". But once you have to start pruning, you have
to prune every time if you want to keep the same number of backups and use
the same amount of space. Why do you suppose it's too hard for them to just
make it work?

"Cal Learner-- MVP" <via_newsgroup[at]please.tnx> wrote in message
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In microsoft.public.money, Dick Watson wrote:

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128 MB is a small flash these days. So it could hold about 10 11MB
backups before you would have to go in a and prune out the oldest
ones. The "pain" is still a lot less than trying to maintain
multiple backups on a flash drive with earlier versions.

I does make backing up to removable media devices--especially small ones
that must span multiple medium--pretty painful. Discouraging backups through
pain seems counter-productive.

"Cal Learner-- MVP" <via_newsgroup[at]please.tnx> wrote in message
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In microsoft.public.money, Dick Watson wrote:

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Do'h. I expect those numbers in MB, and I mis-read the file sizes as
437MB. :-o My compressed backups are in that same 11 MB range.

So I wonder why Money is having trouble with this file. I don't have
a 4 GB flash drive to see if I could make the problem occur.

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I did not follow that scenario. He did format, so that should have
provided a problem-free situation.

I think FAT volumes at some point were limited to 2 GB. I wonder if
there is some old code hanging around that gets confused with
removable volumes over 2 GB.



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It would be reasonable to expect Money to delete the files on the
flash drive in excess of the "Keep only the __most recent backup
files" number.

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437KB large? My M07 backups to hard disk are running 11.1MB.

Now, why Money thinks it's filling a 4GB disk with a 437KB file and 3.5GB
free is an interesting question. Ray said there were other backups already
on the flash drive. I'm wondering if the sum of 1.44MB minus
sizeof(*Backup_[most recent previous] d[highest number for that timestamp])
is equal to the 437KB it wrote this time? I.e., if they are using some crude
hard coding to figure out how to put an "additional" backup on the "last
floppy" rather than just use diskinfo data to figure out what to do.

Basically, Money 05-7 is pretty stupid in how it writes to removable things
that are, or, worse, aren't floppies.

"Cal Learner-- MVP" <via_newsgroup[at]please.tnx> wrote in message
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On Sat, 12 Aug 2006 17:39:04 -0500, Cal Learner-- MVP
<via_newsgroup[at]please.tnx> wrote:

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I have more or less solved my problem by writing a batch program file
that deletes *.mbf on e: then copys *.mbf from c:


Ray Wesley Kinserlow Jr.
Lubbock, Texas
rkinserlow at cox dot net
homepage: www.members.cox.net/rkinserlow
blog: http://360.yahoo.com/kinserlow

On Sat, 12 Aug 2006 17:39:04 -0500, Cal Learner-- MVP
<via_newsgroup[at]please.tnx> wrote:

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Compression has been on from the get-go. When I use C: drive as the
backup drive I get a 436K Money backup file from a 3664K Money file.


Ray Wesley Kinserlow Jr.
Lubbock, Texas
rkinserlow at cox dot net
homepage: www.members.cox.net/rkinserlow
blog: http://360.yahoo.com/kinserlow

In microsoft.public.money, Ray Wesley Kinserlow Jr. wrote:

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That's a *really* big backup file! I have never heard of such a
large Money or Money backup file. How large is your .mny file? I
wonder if the removable disk routines are somehow limited in how big
of a file they can handle properly.

What happens if you go to Tools-> Settings-> BackupOptions and select
Compress Backup Files for each place.

On Sat, 12 Aug 2006 16:39:55 -0500, Cal Learner-- MVP
<via_newsgroup[at]please.tnx> wrote:

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Ok, I powered down the machine, changed USB ports for the flashdrive,
and did a cold boot. I opened Money and closed it. When I closed it,
I checked the settings for the automatic backup to e:\moneybackup\
which were ok and told Money to go ahead and backup. I get a message
which says "Please insert backup disk 2 into the E:\ drive so that we
may continue to build your backup" I cancel the backup. Money exits.
When I check E: drive which has 3.5 gigs free space, I find a new file
on it, e:\moneybackup\My Money Backup_2006_08_12_17064 d1, of size
437KB's.

Ray Wesley Kinserlow Jr.
Lubbock, Texas
rkinserlow at cox dot net
homepage: www.members.cox.net/rkinserlow
blog: http://360.yahoo.com/kinserlow

In microsoft.public.money, Ray Wesley Kinserlow Jr. wrote:

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And you can copy other things to the e: drive with XP? Try rebooting
your computer, and try again.