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| Ron Rosefield posted the answer on 19th August. -- Regards Bob Peel, Microsoft MVP - Money For UK tips & fixes see http://support.microsoft.com/default...d=fh;EN-GB;mny. I do not respond to any emails that I have not specifically asked for. "Scott Tyo" <Scott Tyo[at]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:C1D3DB0A-44AA-436A-A9D7-1086E23830E8[at]microsoft.com... - quote - > I fell victim to the upgrade itch last week, and discovered this bug almost > immediately. > This thread has been dead for a month - did anybody ever get a resolution > on > it? |
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| I fell victim to the upgrade itch last week, and discovered this bug almost immediately. This thread has been dead for a month - did anybody ever get a resolution on it? |
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| On 18 Aug 2006 20:06:14 -0700, "Jeff M" <jamacq[at]gmail.com> wrote: - quote - > What is the viable workaround that you refer to? > Jeff > Ron Rosenfeld wrote: > > On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 07:59:27 -0600, "Dick Watson" > > <littlegreengecko[at]mind-enufalready-spring.com> wrote: > > > > I'll take that bet. > > > > > "Ron Rosenfeld" <ronrosenfeld[at]nospam.org> wrote in message > > > news:41gbe2d6rkveedovmo8c41k0fa2j28iuh1[at]4ax.com... > > > > She was uncertain as to whether it would be fixed or not, but thought the > > > odds > > > > were good as it is early in the season, and they did not release any > > > patches > > > > for M2006. > > > > > Since there is a viable work around (although it's not effective for MoneyLink, > > I'd be on the same side of that bet as you are. BWTFDIK? > > > > --ron It seems you can use the Net Worth over Time report and set the start and end date to the date of interest. By configuring it as a report at account level, it would then duplicate the Net Worth report. It seems to treat the cash accounts properly. --ron |
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| Thanks Dick. Sorry, I meant to reply to Ron but hit reply on the last entry instead. I knew about the net worth over time but didn't realize the date could be set in there to get to any date desired. Thanks for the clarification. Jeff Dick Watson wrote: - quote - > I didn't refer to a workaround. Ron did. > Reviewing the thread, I think Ron may have been referring to using the Net > Worth Over Time report, set to show account level detail, set to display as > text rather than a graph and set to the date you want. I haven't confirmed > that works--seems reasonable enough--but that's what I get re-reading the > thread. > "Jeff M" <jamacq[at]gmail.com> wrote in message > news:1155956771.243861.324630[at]i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > > What is the viable workaround that you refer to? |
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| I didn't refer to a workaround. Ron did. Reviewing the thread, I think Ron may have been referring to using the Net Worth Over Time report, set to show account level detail, set to display as text rather than a graph and set to the date you want. I haven't confirmed that works--seems reasonable enough--but that's what I get re-reading the thread. "Jeff M" <jamacq[at]gmail.com> wrote in message news:1155956771.243861.324630[at]i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... - quote - > What is the viable workaround that you refer to? |
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| What is the viable workaround that you refer to? Jeff Ron Rosenfeld wrote: - quote - > On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 07:59:27 -0600, "Dick Watson" > <littlegreengecko[at]mind-enufalready-spring.com> wrote: > > I'll take that bet. > > > "Ron Rosenfeld" <ronrosenfeld[at]nospam.org> wrote in message > > news:41gbe2d6rkveedovmo8c41k0fa2j28iuh1[at]4ax.com... > > > She was uncertain as to whether it would be fixed or not, but thought the > > odds > > > were good as it is early in the season, and they did not release any > > patches > > > for M2006. > > Since there is a viable work around (although it's not effective for MoneyLink, > I'd be on the same side of that bet as you are. BWTFDIK? > --ron |
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| What is the viable workaround that you refer to? Jeff Ron Rosenfeld wrote: - quote - > On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 07:59:27 -0600, "Dick Watson" > <littlegreengecko[at]mind-enufalready-spring.com> wrote: > > I'll take that bet. > > > "Ron Rosenfeld" <ronrosenfeld[at]nospam.org> wrote in message > > news:41gbe2d6rkveedovmo8c41k0fa2j28iuh1[at]4ax.com... > > > She was uncertain as to whether it would be fixed or not, but thought the > > odds > > > were good as it is early in the season, and they did not release any > > patches > > > for M2006. > > Since there is a viable work around (although it's not effective for MoneyLink, > I'd be on the same side of that bet as you are. BWTFDIK? > --ron |
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| On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 07:59:27 -0600, "Dick Watson" <littlegreengecko[at]mind-enufalready-spring.com> wrote: - quote - > I'll take that bet.
Since there is a viable work around (although it's not effective for MoneyLink,> "Ron Rosenfeld" <ronrosenfeld[at]nospam.org> wrote in message > news:41gbe2d6rkveedovmo8c41k0fa2j28iuh1[at]4ax.com... > > She was uncertain as to whether it would be fixed or not, but thought the > odds > > were good as it is early in the season, and they did not release any > patches > > for M2006. I'd be on the same side of that bet as you are. BWTFDIK? --ron |
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| I'll take that bet. "Ron Rosenfeld" <ronrosenfeld[at]nospam.org> wrote in message news:41gbe2d6rkveedovmo8c41k0fa2j28iuh1[at]4ax.com... - quote - > She was uncertain as to whether it would be fixed or not, but thought the odds > were good as it is early in the season, and they did not release any patches > for M2006. |
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| On 5 Aug 2006 10:06:33 -0700, "Jeff M" <jamacq[at]gmail.com> wrote: - quote - > I just discovered a bug in 2007 in the Net Worth Report. Please see if > others can recreate this. > In the Net Worth report it is possible to customize the report and > change the date to an earlier date to see a snapshot of your net worth > on that earlier date. In 2006 and earlier versions this works as > expected and shows the value of asset accounts as of the date selected. > In 2007, cash accounts (such as the cash component of an investment > account or a savings account) always show today's value instead of the > value for the specified date. This makes the result inaccurate for > anything other than today's date. > Jeff As a followup, I have just been assured by an "escalated" MS Money support person that she was able to reproduce this, and that it will be reported to the development team as a bug. She was uncertain as to whether it would be fixed or not, but thought the odds were good as it is early in the season, and they did not release any patches for M2006. --ron |
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| On 7 Aug 2006 07:29:51 -0700, "Steve" <sjcohen730[at]aol.com> wrote: - quote - > Ron, > After reading your reply and rereading others I NOW agree that > the Net Worth report DOES show the latest cash accounts balance > regardless of the date entered. The Net Worth overtime report appears > to pick up the correct data for cash accounts historically and THAT is > the report I usually am looking at. I had stored some earlier favorate > reports using, for example, December 31, 1998. Sure enough, that report > now shows the EXACT same dollars and cents numbers for my checking > account balance, my savings account balance and my cash on hand balance > as I have on August 7th, 2006. I have not looked at all the detail > other accounts in that report to see if they are different, but the net > worth on that old report is much less and maybe closer to reality. > Anyway, thanks for clearing this up and I DO hope we can get MS to fix > it. > Steve OK, in a sense, that's good. Since this has appeared on multiple machines, it is more likely to be a bug (or perhaps MS will call it a feature), than a machine or installation specific problem. Thanks for following up on that. --ron |
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| On 6 Aug 2006 19:29:42 -0700, "Steve" <sjcohen730[at]aol.com> wrote: - quote - > Ron Rosenfeld wrote:
Well, it would be expected that the ending balance and today's balance would be> > On 6 Aug 2006 04:50:28 -0700, "Steve" <sjcohen730[at]aol.com> wrote: > > > > > > I use two Net Worth reports regularly to monitor my Net Worth. One is > > > the Current Net Worth that automatically uses todays date. The other is > > > Net Worth Overtime. Both seem to work correctly with my new Money 2007 > > > premium. My Net Worth Overtime report shows my balance Net Worth as of > > > December 31st, each year since 1995 to current. I do use December 31st, > > > 2006 on this report now and it does include any future transactions > > > I've already posted, but everything appears correct. I've really > > > memorized the yearly bottom line numbers for each year so I know it > > > hasn't changed. Perhaps, this is a different issue than what has been > > > discribed by others. Steve > > > Steve, > > > To run this down a bit further: > > > First of all, are you using the Advanced Reports option? > YES > > > Do you have future dated transactions in your check register? Currently, no but I will try it again when I do. > > > If your answers to both questions are Yes, is the Net Worth report showing the > > Ending Balance (that balance at the bottom right of the check register); > YES. ending balance the same if you do not have any future dated transactions. - quote - > or is
I don't understand the last comment, but unless you have transactions in your> > it showing "today's" balance (the balance just above the horizontal line that > > appears in the check register prior to the earliest transaction that is dated > > after "today"? > Not showing todays balance at the bottom. Steve check register dated subsequent to the report date on the Net Worth report, you won't see any problem. Try customizing the Net Worth report by changing the Date to 5/1/2006. Does the line in the Net Worth report for your checking account reflect "today's balance" or does it reflect the balance in your check register as of 5/1/2006? --ron |
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| On Sun, 6 Aug 2006 20:10:37 -0600, "Dick Watson" <littlegreengecko[at]mind-enufalready-spring.com> wrote: - quote - > I would have expected that. > It should be very easy to create/define steps for a 20-step (or so) > re-creation test case to demonstrate this issue. Just create one account in > a new file, give it, say, three different balances over time, and run the > report cases. My experience with most support groups is that test cases even > monkeys can execute on new files are one way to cut past all of the usual > reinstall the application and blame the user crap. I still bet they tell you > it's supposed to be this way, there's some reason we should like it better > this way, and that it doesn't get "improved" in M08, much less M07. > "Ron Rosenfeld" <ronrosenfeld[at]nospam.org> wrote in message > news:hanfd2ps270bj4sfneiselhjc4r81lsnjc[at]4ax.com... > > I did confirm that this problem is present on a brand new file, however. My response, after telling the support person that I had already done all the things he recommended, and that the problem also occurred in a new file, was to ask him if he had tried to reproduce the problem, and then give him instructions on how to check it against his own check register. <evil grin> . Surely he must be using the program to manage his own finances :-| --ron |
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| On 6 Aug 2006 14:36:42 -0700, "Jeff M" <jamacq[at]gmail.com> wrote: - quote - > I'm not seeing any problems with the Net Worth Over Time report, just
Exactly as it is here.> the Net Worth report. Well I've started a case with Microsoft support, being one of the people who seems to have a PID that the system recognizes :-)). However, I'm still at the initial phase (file repair; reinstall; etc; all of which I've done recently for a different -- as yet unsolved -- problem). I did confirm that this problem is present on a brand new file, however. --ron |
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| On 5 Aug 2006 10:06:33 -0700, "Jeff M" <jamacq[at]gmail.com> wrote: - quote - > I just discovered a bug in 2007 in the Net Worth Report. Please see if
Prompted by Steve's post, I did some checking of the Net Worth over Time> others can recreate this. > In the Net Worth report it is possible to customize the report and > change the date to an earlier date to see a snapshot of your net worth > on that earlier date. In 2006 and earlier versions this works as > expected and shows the value of asset accounts as of the date selected. > In 2007, cash accounts (such as the cash component of an investment > account or a savings account) always show today's value instead of the > value for the specified date. This makes the result inaccurate for > anything other than today's date. > Jeff report. If I set the date, for example, to "Today" and set it to display a text report with Level of Detail = Accounts, it will display a correct Net Worth report showing balances in the cas accounts "as of Today", rather than the Ending Balance. --ron |
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| On 6 Aug 2006 04:50:28 -0700, "Steve" <sjcohen730[at]aol.com> wrote: - quote - > I use two Net Worth reports regularly to monitor my Net Worth. One is
Steve,> the Current Net Worth that automatically uses todays date. The other is > Net Worth Overtime. Both seem to work correctly with my new Money 2007 > premium. My Net Worth Overtime report shows my balance Net Worth as of > December 31st, each year since 1995 to current. I do use December 31st, > 2006 on this report now and it does include any future transactions > I've already posted, but everything appears correct. I've really > memorized the yearly bottom line numbers for each year so I know it > hasn't changed. Perhaps, this is a different issue than what has been > discribed by others. Steve To run this down a bit further: First of all, are you using the Advanced Reports option? Do you have future dated transactions in your check register? If your answers to both questions are Yes, is the Net Worth report showing the Ending Balance (that balance at the bottom right of the check register); or is it showing "today's" balance (the balance just above the horizontal line that appears in the check register prior to the earliest transaction that is dated after "today"? --ron |
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| Ron, After reading your reply and rereading others I NOW agree that the Net Worth report DOES show the latest cash accounts balance regardless of the date entered. The Net Worth overtime report appears to pick up the correct data for cash accounts historically and THAT is the report I usually am looking at. I had stored some earlier favorate reports using, for example, December 31, 1998. Sure enough, that report now shows the EXACT same dollars and cents numbers for my checking account balance, my savings account balance and my cash on hand balance as I have on August 7th, 2006. I have not looked at all the detail other accounts in that report to see if they are different, but the net worth on that old report is much less and maybe closer to reality. Anyway, thanks for clearing this up and I DO hope we can get MS to fix it. Steve |
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| I doubt it. Maybe he knows how to start it. And don't call me Shirley. "Ron Rosenfeld" <ronrosenfeld[at]nospam.org> wrote in message news:divfd25cl52hilper8o48bnj1or5m3l8a3[at]4ax.com... - quote - > Surely he must be using the program to manage his own finances :-| |
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| Ron Rosenfeld wrote: - quote - > On 6 Aug 2006 04:50:28 -0700, "Steve" <sjcohen730[at]aol.com> wrote: > > > I use two Net Worth reports regularly to monitor my Net Worth. One is > > the Current Net Worth that automatically uses todays date. The other is > > Net Worth Overtime. Both seem to work correctly with my new Money 2007 > > premium. My Net Worth Overtime report shows my balance Net Worth as of > > December 31st, each year since 1995 to current. I do use December 31st, > > 2006 on this report now and it does include any future transactions > > I've already posted, but everything appears correct. I've really > > memorized the yearly bottom line numbers for each year so I know it > > hasn't changed. Perhaps, this is a different issue than what has been > > discribed by others. Steve > Steve, > To run this down a bit further: > First of all, are you using the Advanced Reports option? YES > Do you have future dated transactions in your check register? Currently, no but I will try it again when I do. > If your answers to both questions are Yes, is the Net Worth report showing the > Ending Balance (that balance at the bottom right of the check register); YES. ending balance or is > it showing "today's" balance (the balance just above the horizontal line that > appears in the check register prior to the earliest transaction that is dated > after "today"? > Not showing todays balance at the bottom. Steve > --ron |
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| I would have expected that. It should be very easy to create/define steps for a 20-step (or so) re-creation test case to demonstrate this issue. Just create one account in a new file, give it, say, three different balances over time, and run the report cases. My experience with most support groups is that test cases even monkeys can execute on new files are one way to cut past all of the usual reinstall the application and blame the user crap. I still bet they tell you it's supposed to be this way, there's some reason we should like it better this way, and that it doesn't get "improved" in M08, much less M07. "Ron Rosenfeld" <ronrosenfeld[at]nospam.org> wrote in message news:hanfd2ps270bj4sfneiselhjc4r81lsnjc[at]4ax.com... - quote - > I did confirm that this problem is present on a brand new file, however. |
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