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  #25  
Old 09-03-2006, 05:32 PM
Bob Peel, MVP
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Ron Rosefield posted the answer on 19th August.

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"Scott Tyo" <Scott Tyo[at]discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
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> I fell victim to the upgrade itch last week, and discovered this bug almost
> immediately.
> This thread has been dead for a month - did anybody ever get a resolution
> on
> it?



  #24  
Old 09-03-2006, 04:05 PM
Scott Tyo
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I fell victim to the upgrade itch last week, and discovered this bug almost
immediately.

This thread has been dead for a month - did anybody ever get a resolution on
it?
  #23  
Old 08-19-2006, 11:22 AM
Ron Rosenfeld
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On 18 Aug 2006 20:06:14 -0700, "Jeff M" <jamacq[at]gmail.com> wrote:

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> What is the viable workaround that you refer to?
> Jeff
> Ron Rosenfeld wrote:
> > On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 07:59:27 -0600, "Dick Watson"
> > <littlegreengecko[at]mind-enufalready-spring.com> wrote:
> > > > I'll take that bet.
> > > > > "Ron Rosenfeld" <ronrosenfeld[at]nospam.org> wrote in message
> > > news:41gbe2d6rkveedovmo8c41k0fa2j28iuh1[at]4ax.com...
> > > > She was uncertain as to whether it would be fixed or not, but thought the
> > > odds
> > > > were good as it is early in the season, and they did not release any
> > > patches
> > > > for M2006.
> > > > > Since there is a viable work around (although it's not effective for MoneyLink,

> > I'd be on the same side of that bet as you are. BWTFDIK?
> > > > --ron



It seems you can use the Net Worth over Time report and set the start and end
date to the date of interest. By configuring it as a report at account level,
it would then duplicate the Net Worth report. It seems to treat the cash
accounts properly.
--ron
  #22  
Old 08-19-2006, 03:38 AM
Jeff M
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Default Re: Net Worth Report Bug

Thanks Dick. Sorry, I meant to reply to Ron but hit reply on the last
entry instead.

I knew about the net worth over time but didn't realize the date could
be set in there to get to any date desired. Thanks for the
clarification.

Jeff

Dick Watson wrote:
- quote -

> I didn't refer to a workaround. Ron did.
> Reviewing the thread, I think Ron may have been referring to using the Net
> Worth Over Time report, set to show account level detail, set to display as
> text rather than a graph and set to the date you want. I haven't confirmed
> that works--seems reasonable enough--but that's what I get re-reading the
> thread.
> "Jeff M" <jamacq[at]gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1155956771.243861.324630[at]i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> > What is the viable workaround that you refer to?


  #21  
Old 08-19-2006, 03:14 AM
Dick Watson
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I didn't refer to a workaround. Ron did.

Reviewing the thread, I think Ron may have been referring to using the Net
Worth Over Time report, set to show account level detail, set to display as
text rather than a graph and set to the date you want. I haven't confirmed
that works--seems reasonable enough--but that's what I get re-reading the
thread.

"Jeff M" <jamacq[at]gmail.com> wrote in message
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> What is the viable workaround that you refer to?


  #20  
Old 08-19-2006, 03:06 AM
Jeff M
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Default Re: Net Worth Report Bug

What is the viable workaround that you refer to?

Jeff

Ron Rosenfeld wrote:
- quote -

> On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 07:59:27 -0600, "Dick Watson"
> <littlegreengecko[at]mind-enufalready-spring.com> wrote:
> > I'll take that bet.
> > > "Ron Rosenfeld" <ronrosenfeld[at]nospam.org> wrote in message

> > news:41gbe2d6rkveedovmo8c41k0fa2j28iuh1[at]4ax.com...
> > > She was uncertain as to whether it would be fixed or not, but thought the

> > odds
> > > were good as it is early in the season, and they did not release any

> > patches
> > > for M2006.

> > Since there is a viable work around (although it's not effective for MoneyLink,

> I'd be on the same side of that bet as you are. BWTFDIK?
> --ron


  #19  
Old 08-19-2006, 03:06 AM
Jeff M
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Default Re: Net Worth Report Bug

What is the viable workaround that you refer to?

Jeff

Ron Rosenfeld wrote:
- quote -

> On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 07:59:27 -0600, "Dick Watson"
> <littlegreengecko[at]mind-enufalready-spring.com> wrote:
> > I'll take that bet.
> > > "Ron Rosenfeld" <ronrosenfeld[at]nospam.org> wrote in message

> > news:41gbe2d6rkveedovmo8c41k0fa2j28iuh1[at]4ax.com...
> > > She was uncertain as to whether it would be fixed or not, but thought the

> > odds
> > > were good as it is early in the season, and they did not release any

> > patches
> > > for M2006.

> > Since there is a viable work around (although it's not effective for MoneyLink,

> I'd be on the same side of that bet as you are. BWTFDIK?
> --ron


  #18  
Old 08-18-2006, 02:29 PM
Ron Rosenfeld
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On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 07:59:27 -0600, "Dick Watson"
<littlegreengecko[at]mind-enufalready-spring.com> wrote:

- quote -

> I'll take that bet.
> "Ron Rosenfeld" <ronrosenfeld[at]nospam.org> wrote in message
> news:41gbe2d6rkveedovmo8c41k0fa2j28iuh1[at]4ax.com...
> > She was uncertain as to whether it would be fixed or not, but thought the

> odds
> > were good as it is early in the season, and they did not release any

> patches
> > for M2006.


Since there is a viable work around (although it's not effective for MoneyLink,
I'd be on the same side of that bet as you are. BWTFDIK?


--ron
  #17  
Old 08-18-2006, 01:59 PM
Dick Watson
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I'll take that bet.

"Ron Rosenfeld" <ronrosenfeld[at]nospam.org> wrote in message
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- quote -

> She was uncertain as to whether it would be fixed or not, but thought the
odds
> were good as it is early in the season, and they did not release any

patches
> for M2006.



  #16  
Old 08-18-2006, 01:28 PM
Ron Rosenfeld
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On 5 Aug 2006 10:06:33 -0700, "Jeff M" <jamacq[at]gmail.com> wrote:

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> I just discovered a bug in 2007 in the Net Worth Report. Please see if
> others can recreate this.
> In the Net Worth report it is possible to customize the report and
> change the date to an earlier date to see a snapshot of your net worth
> on that earlier date. In 2006 and earlier versions this works as
> expected and shows the value of asset accounts as of the date selected.
> In 2007, cash accounts (such as the cash component of an investment
> account or a savings account) always show today's value instead of the
> value for the specified date. This makes the result inaccurate for
> anything other than today's date.
> Jeff



As a followup, I have just been assured by an "escalated" MS Money support
person that she was able to reproduce this, and that it will be reported to the
development team as a bug.

She was uncertain as to whether it would be fixed or not, but thought the odds
were good as it is early in the season, and they did not release any patches
for M2006.
--ron
  #15  
Old 08-08-2006, 04:28 PM
Ron Rosenfeld
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On 7 Aug 2006 07:29:51 -0700, "Steve" <sjcohen730[at]aol.com> wrote:

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> Ron,
> After reading your reply and rereading others I NOW agree that
> the Net Worth report DOES show the latest cash accounts balance
> regardless of the date entered. The Net Worth overtime report appears
> to pick up the correct data for cash accounts historically and THAT is
> the report I usually am looking at. I had stored some earlier favorate
> reports using, for example, December 31, 1998. Sure enough, that report
> now shows the EXACT same dollars and cents numbers for my checking
> account balance, my savings account balance and my cash on hand balance
> as I have on August 7th, 2006. I have not looked at all the detail
> other accounts in that report to see if they are different, but the net
> worth on that old report is much less and maybe closer to reality.
> Anyway, thanks for clearing this up and I DO hope we can get MS to fix
> it.
> Steve



OK, in a sense, that's good. Since this has appeared on multiple machines, it
is more likely to be a bug (or perhaps MS will call it a feature), than a
machine or installation specific problem.

Thanks for following up on that.


--ron
  #14  
Old 08-08-2006, 03:09 AM
Ron Rosenfeld
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On 6 Aug 2006 19:29:42 -0700, "Steve" <sjcohen730[at]aol.com> wrote:

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> Ron Rosenfeld wrote:
> > On 6 Aug 2006 04:50:28 -0700, "Steve" <sjcohen730[at]aol.com> wrote:
> > > > > > I use two Net Worth reports regularly to monitor my Net Worth. One is
> > > the Current Net Worth that automatically uses todays date. The other is
> > > Net Worth Overtime. Both seem to work correctly with my new Money 2007
> > > premium. My Net Worth Overtime report shows my balance Net Worth as of
> > > December 31st, each year since 1995 to current. I do use December 31st,
> > > 2006 on this report now and it does include any future transactions
> > > I've already posted, but everything appears correct. I've really
> > > memorized the yearly bottom line numbers for each year so I know it
> > > hasn't changed. Perhaps, this is a different issue than what has been
> > > discribed by others. Steve
> > > Steve,
> > > To run this down a bit further:
> > > First of all, are you using the Advanced Reports option?


> YES


> > > Do you have future dated transactions in your check register? Currently, no but I will try it again when I do.
> > > If your answers to both questions are Yes, is the Net Worth report showing the

> > Ending Balance (that balance at the bottom right of the check register);


> YES. ending balance


Well, it would be expected that the ending balance and today's balance would be
the same if you do not have any future dated transactions.


- quote -

> or is
> > it showing "today's" balance (the balance just above the horizontal line that
> > appears in the check register prior to the earliest transaction that is dated
> > after "today"?


> Not showing todays balance at the bottom. Steve


I don't understand the last comment, but unless you have transactions in your
check register dated subsequent to the report date on the Net Worth report, you
won't see any problem.

Try customizing the Net Worth report by changing the Date to 5/1/2006. Does
the line in the Net Worth report for your checking account reflect "today's
balance" or does it reflect the balance in your check register as of 5/1/2006?




--ron
  #13  
Old 08-08-2006, 03:03 AM
Ron Rosenfeld
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On Sun, 6 Aug 2006 20:10:37 -0600, "Dick Watson"
<littlegreengecko[at]mind-enufalready-spring.com> wrote:

- quote -

> I would have expected that.
> It should be very easy to create/define steps for a 20-step (or so)
> re-creation test case to demonstrate this issue. Just create one account in
> a new file, give it, say, three different balances over time, and run the
> report cases. My experience with most support groups is that test cases even
> monkeys can execute on new files are one way to cut past all of the usual
> reinstall the application and blame the user crap. I still bet they tell you
> it's supposed to be this way, there's some reason we should like it better
> this way, and that it doesn't get "improved" in M08, much less M07.
> "Ron Rosenfeld" <ronrosenfeld[at]nospam.org> wrote in message
> news:hanfd2ps270bj4sfneiselhjc4r81lsnjc[at]4ax.com...
> > I did confirm that this problem is present on a brand new file, however.



My response, after telling the support person that I had already done all the
things he recommended, and that the problem also occurred in a new file, was to
ask him if he had tried to reproduce the problem, and then give him
instructions on how to check it against his own check register. <evil grin> .
Surely he must be using the program to manage his own finances :-|




--ron
  #12  
Old 08-08-2006, 12:41 AM
Ron Rosenfeld
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On 6 Aug 2006 14:36:42 -0700, "Jeff M" <jamacq[at]gmail.com> wrote:

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> I'm not seeing any problems with the Net Worth Over Time report, just
> the Net Worth report.


Exactly as it is here.

Well I've started a case with Microsoft support, being one of the people who
seems to have a PID that the system recognizes :-)).

However, I'm still at the initial phase (file repair; reinstall; etc; all of
which I've done recently for a different -- as yet unsolved -- problem).

I did confirm that this problem is present on a brand new file, however.
--ron
  #11  
Old 08-07-2006, 07:16 PM
Ron Rosenfeld
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On 5 Aug 2006 10:06:33 -0700, "Jeff M" <jamacq[at]gmail.com> wrote:

- quote -

> I just discovered a bug in 2007 in the Net Worth Report. Please see if
> others can recreate this.
> In the Net Worth report it is possible to customize the report and
> change the date to an earlier date to see a snapshot of your net worth
> on that earlier date. In 2006 and earlier versions this works as
> expected and shows the value of asset accounts as of the date selected.
> In 2007, cash accounts (such as the cash component of an investment
> account or a savings account) always show today's value instead of the
> value for the specified date. This makes the result inaccurate for
> anything other than today's date.
> Jeff


Prompted by Steve's post, I did some checking of the Net Worth over Time
report.

If I set the date, for example, to "Today" and set it to display a text report
with Level of Detail = Accounts, it will display a correct Net Worth report
showing balances in the cas accounts "as of Today", rather than the Ending
Balance.
--ron
  #10  
Old 08-07-2006, 07:01 PM
Ron Rosenfeld
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On 6 Aug 2006 04:50:28 -0700, "Steve" <sjcohen730[at]aol.com> wrote:

- quote -

> I use two Net Worth reports regularly to monitor my Net Worth. One is
> the Current Net Worth that automatically uses todays date. The other is
> Net Worth Overtime. Both seem to work correctly with my new Money 2007
> premium. My Net Worth Overtime report shows my balance Net Worth as of
> December 31st, each year since 1995 to current. I do use December 31st,
> 2006 on this report now and it does include any future transactions
> I've already posted, but everything appears correct. I've really
> memorized the yearly bottom line numbers for each year so I know it
> hasn't changed. Perhaps, this is a different issue than what has been
> discribed by others. Steve


Steve,

To run this down a bit further:

First of all, are you using the Advanced Reports option?

Do you have future dated transactions in your check register?

If your answers to both questions are Yes, is the Net Worth report showing the
Ending Balance (that balance at the bottom right of the check register); or is
it showing "today's" balance (the balance just above the horizontal line that
appears in the check register prior to the earliest transaction that is dated
after "today"?


--ron
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Old 08-07-2006, 02:29 PM
Steve
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Ron,
After reading your reply and rereading others I NOW agree that
the Net Worth report DOES show the latest cash accounts balance
regardless of the date entered. The Net Worth overtime report appears
to pick up the correct data for cash accounts historically and THAT is
the report I usually am looking at. I had stored some earlier favorate
reports using, for example, December 31, 1998. Sure enough, that report
now shows the EXACT same dollars and cents numbers for my checking
account balance, my savings account balance and my cash on hand balance
as I have on August 7th, 2006. I have not looked at all the detail
other accounts in that report to see if they are different, but the net
worth on that old report is much less and maybe closer to reality.
Anyway, thanks for clearing this up and I DO hope we can get MS to fix
it.

Steve

  #8  
Old 08-07-2006, 12:17 PM
Dick Watson
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I doubt it. Maybe he knows how to start it.

And don't call me Shirley.

"Ron Rosenfeld" <ronrosenfeld[at]nospam.org> wrote in message
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> Surely he must be using the program to manage his own finances :-|


  #7  
Old 08-07-2006, 02:29 AM
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Ron Rosenfeld wrote:
- quote -

> On 6 Aug 2006 04:50:28 -0700, "Steve" <sjcohen730[at]aol.com> wrote:
> > > I use two Net Worth reports regularly to monitor my Net Worth. One is

> > the Current Net Worth that automatically uses todays date. The other is
> > Net Worth Overtime. Both seem to work correctly with my new Money 2007
> > premium. My Net Worth Overtime report shows my balance Net Worth as of
> > December 31st, each year since 1995 to current. I do use December 31st,
> > 2006 on this report now and it does include any future transactions
> > I've already posted, but everything appears correct. I've really
> > memorized the yearly bottom line numbers for each year so I know it
> > hasn't changed. Perhaps, this is a different issue than what has been
> > discribed by others. Steve

> Steve,
> To run this down a bit further:
> First of all, are you using the Advanced Reports option? YES
> Do you have future dated transactions in your check register? Currently, no but I will try it again when I do.
> If your answers to both questions are Yes, is the Net Worth report showing the
> Ending Balance (that balance at the bottom right of the check register); YES. ending balance

or is
> it showing "today's" balance (the balance just above the horizontal line that
> appears in the check register prior to the earliest transaction that is dated
> after "today"?
> Not showing todays balance at the bottom. Steve
> --ron


  #6  
Old 08-07-2006, 02:10 AM
Dick Watson
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I would have expected that.

It should be very easy to create/define steps for a 20-step (or so)
re-creation test case to demonstrate this issue. Just create one account in
a new file, give it, say, three different balances over time, and run the
report cases. My experience with most support groups is that test cases even
monkeys can execute on new files are one way to cut past all of the usual
reinstall the application and blame the user crap. I still bet they tell you
it's supposed to be this way, there's some reason we should like it better
this way, and that it doesn't get "improved" in M08, much less M07.

"Ron Rosenfeld" <ronrosenfeld[at]nospam.org> wrote in message
news:hanfd2ps270bj4sfneiselhjc4r81lsnjc[at]4ax.com...
- quote -

> I did confirm that this problem is present on a brand new file, however.


 

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